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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

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good evening Fade to Black today is

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Monday June 5th 2023 I'm Yours Jimmy

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Church

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tonight's guest David Brody is with us

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we're going to be talking about the nice

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Templar in America and not only that

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we're going to talk about romerica right

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and Atlantis as well and uh we're going

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to discuss his new book uh one nation

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under John Templars and John the Baptist

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all that and much more

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um his books his website and everything

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are in the links below over on our

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social media and on our website and on a

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very exciting news day I realize what is

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going on out there in the world and

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disclosure and UFOs uh tonight we're

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going to be discussing uh the Knights

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Templar and A Strange Day for Dave Brody

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but I'm going to bring him in because uh

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Dave uh you just never know what uh what

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the day is going to bring you but before

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we get started

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let's do the First Time guest disclaimer

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uh which is Dave it's just you and I

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sitting on my couch having a

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conversation as friends and where that

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conversation starts and starts where it

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ends and ends but we're gonna end his

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friends there you go all right you ready

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ready to go no I I know you've uh

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listened to the show uh for many years

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and I was looking at some of the notes

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um and I really appreciate

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um uh how do I say this an intellectual

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an author a researcher like yourself

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that is out there collecting information

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from everywhere and you've listened to

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fade to black over the years and have

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been inspired to do a few things and I

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want to thank you for that and and

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acknowledging that that is very very

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cool and then wow thank you well and

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you know I cover everything here ghosts

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UFOs and one of the craziest now there's

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a strange tie-in between today's news

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and this show tonight

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and it's this

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what would be a bigger news story for

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Humanity the discovery of uh our ancient

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past and misinformation that has been

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presented to us right like the Knights

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Templar or America or who is here first

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or ancient Egypt who built the Pyramid

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stuff like that or

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UFOs are and and ET is visiting this

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planet and our government is known you

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know that would be bigger yeah for sure

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you think so oh yeah I mean that's

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that's off the chart as far as that kind

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of news if you can prove that that's

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just I mean that's every every

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six-year-old looking up at the stars

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wondering that that's so much bigger but

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not that we've proved it yet but if you

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could prove it I think that's bigger

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than the pyramids or finding the Ark of

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the Covenant or whatever that would be

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that way I can't argue that I I can't

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um if if if you really think about it

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um the the mysteries of the pyramids or

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another civilization before modern

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humans or Atlantis you know and if

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something like that came to light

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right the Knights Templar brought the

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Ark of the Covenant to North America in

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1100. that'd be some pretty oh man

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sure yeah that'd be some pretty big news

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or E.T I don't know I don't know and it

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um and you've been writing and and

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researching this for a very long time I

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feel like the world is at the point of

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saying okay enough is enough there's

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been a lot of BS going on we're pretty

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smart here can we start to get the truth

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do you think that the world is is like

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pushing for that now and is is less

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concerned about just moving along the

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status quo yeah no I do so I've been

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doing this for maybe 15 years and I've

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uh you know Columbus didn't discover

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America they were people here before him

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like the Knights Templar people would

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something and now I say that and people

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just nod back at me and so I think in

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10 15 years has been a lot of TV shows

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documentaries Scott Walters America on

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Earth show people like yourself doing

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shows and slowly that ocean liner is

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turning the idea we all grew up on 1492

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Columbus sailed the ocean blue we all

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learned that in second grade right that

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took us a while just like it took us a

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while to realize that there was no

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Easter Bunny and there was no Santa

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Claus and the whole Columbus thing when

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we were in second grade we had to get

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past that right so what do you mean no

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easy no sorry I'm sorry I apologize to

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all your listeners as well your viewers

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it took a while to get past that and

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then and then at certain point people

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all about the evidence I'm a lawyer by

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training so that's how I'm trained and

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that's how I look at things so there's

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evidence and then B it's just common

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sense like no one has a problem with the

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idea that ancient peoples cross the

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Pacific Ocean and came across and

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settled in South America Millennia ago

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no one has a problem with that but God

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forbid anyone went across the Atlantic

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before Columbus no no no they're going

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to fall off the end of the Earth or the

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sea monsters are going to eat them or

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something it's like it's so weird how

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that ocean even though it's smaller than

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the Pacific we can't cross the Atlantic

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and people start to look back and say

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wait a second that makes no sense and so

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evidence common sense and slowly we're

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turning the ocean liner and people are

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starting to say yeah okay well by the

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way we know the Norse were here in the

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early 11th century why wouldn't other

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people have come over after them and

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before Columbus it was a 500 year Gap to

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me Jimmy the surprising thing would have

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been the Norse came and then nobody came

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for 500 years that would be surprising

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came in between there they knew how to

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get here already there were good reasons

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you you you you you you

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posit such an interesting point which is

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this today

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yes it took a little bit but now it's

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like uh Columbus is so passe right late

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he you know he didn't even arrive to

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North America it was Central America but

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he was late to the party he was just one

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of many who would come over over the

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with the ancient Phoenicians

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the Celts the north the Templar so many

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people back and forth keeping it secret

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because that's what you did if you had

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an economic Advantage you didn't tell

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people about it your favorite fishing

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hole whatever it was you kept it quiet

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but again people people back then were

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smarter than we give them credit for the

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ancient Phoenicians they knew they could

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navigate with the Stars they had boats

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way bigger than Columbus had they were

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the Merchant Marine of the ancient world

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they were circumnavigating Africa they

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were going as far as Iceland we know all

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that to be true why not take the next

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step an island hop one more step across

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Greenland and then New Finland and then

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down the coast I mean it just it's the

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human we all watched Star Trek when we

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were kids right to seek out new life and

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new civilization to boldly go where no

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one has gone before so it's all it's a

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Human Condition it's not surprising that

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the ancient people would have either

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done this on purpose or maybe just got

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blown off course you know that could

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have happened too but the idea that the

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Atlantic Ocean is just a giant barrier

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that nobody could have crossed it in

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ancient times it just never made sense

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um you know just like you said I think I

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think that belief of Columbus being the

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first that's passe now we're past that

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finally but it took a while you remember

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went Thor higher doll uh sailed the

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contiki two right a Papyrus Reed boat

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um uh off of Egyptian ideas right so

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that thing from The Straits of Gibraltar

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right and got that thing to the

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Caribbean now it came in a little

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sideways right yeah yeah keeping a

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little sideways and it was a it was a

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harsh Journey uh but they made it in

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with the boat design that was like 3 000

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years old right and then just last year

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uh a Phoenician ship they designed uh in

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in the like you said 3000 years old went

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from Tunisia to Fort Lauderdale and

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same thing to recreate that and then

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back in the 70s a guy named Tim Severin

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an Irish Explorer sailed from the coast

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of the western coast of Ireland on a

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leather boat a leather boat to

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Newfoundland to show that the Irish

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threatening the navigator that whole

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thing that could have happened as well

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so all these guys keep showing us it

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could have happened

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you know did it probably but at least it

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could have yeah yeah for sure for sure

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now how far back uh do you push the

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dates uh for for this

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well I have have pushed dates around

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everywhere from around here zero to

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around 1000 A.D to have that type of uh

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uh transoceanic traffic pretty not

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commonplace it was still difficult but

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it was happening and it was happening a

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lot do you I think I think the

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Phoenicians so if you look at the

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Phoenicians

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um ballpark a thousand BC so three

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thousand years ago it would have

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coincided with the need for uh copper to

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fuel the Bronze Age you know and to make

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bronze you need ten seven or eight

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percent and a lot of ten up in Southern

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England Cornwall okay that's taken care

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of all that copper 92 percent copper

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some copper in Cyprus some in Africa but

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not nearly enough for the incredible

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demand for a weaponry and artifacts and

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tools and decorative items so much

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bronze and the Native Americans tell us

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in the Great Lakes region that the

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ancient peoples came over to take their

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copper that's one of the first things

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they said to the to the Pioneers when

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they came out to the Lake Michigan Lake

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Superior area oh you're you know people

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who look like you came many many

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generations ago to take our copper and

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there's a fascinating shipwreck off the

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coast of uh turkey called the ulubru

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Shipwreck where they found ingots copper

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ingots and the copper

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um sort of the fingerprint of the copper

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matches the purity of the copper matches

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that which we have in the Great Lakes

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region and only in the Great Lakes

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region so that looks like that copper

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would have come from Lake Superior so

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there's lots of evidence about the

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Phoenicians uh again as I mentioned

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earlier they had ships bigger than

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Columbus they navigated By Night by the

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stars at night they had a real economic

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uh imperative to try to find Copper and

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we know the copper was in the Great

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Lakes there's a fascinating site in

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Southern New Hampshire called America

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Stonehenge lots of evidence that that

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was built by the Phoenicians a sort of a

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stopover Point here in New England

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before Market working their way out to

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the the Great Lakes region and lots of

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evidence scientific evidence that's been

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done up there points to a time period

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about 3000 years ago for the

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construction of that site

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so to me that that's that's the first

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group that's the first group that I

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think we can point to that would have

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crossed over I wanted to uh I have to

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get this in uh my moderator uh bill

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um one wants to know if you hang out at

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his favorite restaurant called The Grog

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oh oh my gosh we're going tomorrow night

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as a matter of fact

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love the Grog oh my gosh yeah yeah

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Massachusetts yeah he says uh it's a fun

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joint it's got great food and it's a lot

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of fun both

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two things going forward the one thing

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it doesn't have going for it was it

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didn't have outdoor dining because

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there's no outdoor space so during the

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pandemic there were you know it was it

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was I'm glad to see that held on because

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a lot of restaurants didn't make it if

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you didn't have outdoor space but

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they're up and running again and it's a

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great place yeah

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yeah bill bill bill seems to have been

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everywhere

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and it's just so funny I asked David if

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he's been to my favorite restaurant in

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his new in his hometown of uh Newberry

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Port

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and uh as it turns out okay I think the

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Phoenicians I think the Phoenicians were

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when they came over here that's one of

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the reasons they came is they were

346
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looking for good good food and they came

347
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to the Grog and I band and everything so

348
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that was there right right right well

349
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see here's um uh when we talk about the

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Phoenicians the Phoenicians had zero

351
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fear of the water

352
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okay and they uh they got all the trade

353
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routes they had all of the coastal

354
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cities

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um and ports and the Mediterranean on

356
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total lockdown right they they figured

357
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it out and the Straits of Gibraltar you

358
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know and heading out past Morocco and

359
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Spain and out into the Atlantic I think

360
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it's a very very easy thing to assume

361
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um the Mediterranean kind of big

362
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but really not if you think about it

363
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you're going to wear it out after a

364
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certain point and you've got to you know

365
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what I mean expand your horizons and I

366
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don't think it's uh that big of a leap

367
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to to think that the Phoenicians could

368
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have headed out uh through uh Gibraltar

369
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and just kept on going

370
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the mainstream historians recognize the

371
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Phoenicians went at least as far as

372
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Iceland

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there's there's they called it tool they

374
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were definitely in England I should say

375
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probably as far as Iceland definitely

376
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Inc to England to trade for tin so they

377
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were they had to go up through the

378
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Atlantic to get that far there's no

379
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doubt they were in the Atlantic and now

380
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again the question is do you want to

381
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keep going and keep looking or do we

382
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turn around and at some point you just

383
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keep going that's just as I said earlier

384
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that's a human condition if you're an

385
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Explorer and there's Economic

386
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Opportunity you're going to go looking

387
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for it and then once you get to the

388
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shores of America you know the Land of

389
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Plenty there's lots of Economic

390
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Opportunity there's Timber to be

391
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harvested for ships there's fish of

392
00:16:34,430 --> 00:16:31,680
course there's beaver pelts and there's

393
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the natural resources the copper

394
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um and then the reason that eventually

395
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ended because the copper uh demand dried

396
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up when the Iron Age took over the

397
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Bronze Age ended Iron Age came came in

398
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and so there's no longer any need to

399
00:16:49,730 --> 00:16:47,579
come back and make that trip to get

400
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copper and that's why we don't have more

401
00:16:55,610 --> 00:16:52,320
modern memories of that right around say

402
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500 BC in that range we don't see the

403
00:17:01,069 --> 00:16:57,899
need anymore but for that time period

404
00:17:03,769 --> 00:17:01,079
say 3 000 years ago to 2500 years ago in

405
00:17:06,470 --> 00:17:03,779
that range that's when we see I think a

406
00:17:08,270 --> 00:17:06,480
lot of Phoenician exploration of America

407
00:17:10,130 --> 00:17:08,280
coming to get copper

408
00:17:13,610 --> 00:17:10,140
now

409
00:17:16,309 --> 00:17:13,620
the as far as the Knights Templar um in

410
00:17:18,650 --> 00:17:16,319
North America we all follow the work of

411
00:17:22,010 --> 00:17:18,660
Scott Walter and and others and Scott

412
00:17:24,110 --> 00:17:22,020
you know it's just it has consumed his

413
00:17:26,990 --> 00:17:24,120
research I mean

414
00:17:29,750 --> 00:17:27,000
um literally Scott and I we were down in

415
00:17:32,450 --> 00:17:29,760
Mexico last month walking down the

416
00:17:36,289 --> 00:17:32,460
street we're like I forget what city we

417
00:17:38,510 --> 00:17:36,299
were in and if he Associates everything

418
00:17:40,730 --> 00:17:38,520
with the Knights Templar right look

419
00:17:44,510 --> 00:17:40,740
he'll Point Hill this you know that it's

420
00:17:46,970 --> 00:17:44,520
just and and he sees these things

421
00:17:49,070 --> 00:17:46,980
um and and we have uh the Newport Tower

422
00:17:51,590 --> 00:17:49,080
of course and the Kensington Rune Stone

423
00:17:54,529 --> 00:17:51,600
uh but I think we have other stuff that

424
00:17:56,810 --> 00:17:54,539
predates even that uh when do you think

425
00:17:58,310 --> 00:17:56,820
the Knights Templar got here

426
00:18:00,830 --> 00:17:58,320
so

427
00:18:02,210 --> 00:18:00,840
it it's clear to me that they came here

428
00:18:04,370 --> 00:18:02,220
before Columbus

429
00:18:07,190 --> 00:18:04,380
um the question is that they come before

430
00:18:09,230 --> 00:18:07,200
they were outlawed in 1307 or did they

431
00:18:12,590 --> 00:18:09,240
wait till it was afterwards so we know

432
00:18:15,650 --> 00:18:12,600
about the the Westford Knight carving

433
00:18:18,110 --> 00:18:15,660
which seems to be in the late 1300s the

434
00:18:20,510 --> 00:18:18,120
spirit upon runestones right around 1400

435
00:18:22,909 --> 00:18:20,520
so there's lots of evidence around the

436
00:18:24,289 --> 00:18:22,919
1400 time period there's also some

437
00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:24,299
strong evidence

438
00:18:29,690 --> 00:18:26,880
um it's got rights about this a lot

439
00:18:31,490 --> 00:18:29,700
um of a journey in the year 1179

440
00:18:34,909 --> 00:18:31,500
something called the cremona document

441
00:18:37,010 --> 00:18:34,919
where the Templars came over to uh the

442
00:18:39,409 --> 00:18:37,020
Catskill Mountains in New York and in

443
00:18:41,590 --> 00:18:39,419
fact Scott and I were part of a group uh

444
00:18:43,669 --> 00:18:41,600
my gosh it's been almost 15 years

445
00:18:45,890 --> 00:18:43,679
climbing the Catskills looking for

446
00:18:49,070 --> 00:18:45,900
artifacts up there

447
00:18:53,169 --> 00:18:49,080
um with Don Roo and

448
00:18:56,029 --> 00:18:53,179
um so that that looks to be a legitimate

449
00:18:57,650 --> 00:18:56,039
squats all squats 100 in on the promoted

450
00:19:00,409 --> 00:18:57,660
document I still have a little bit of

451
00:19:02,810 --> 00:19:00,419
doubt about parts of it but I think on

452
00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:02,820
balance that's been established as being

453
00:19:08,029 --> 00:19:05,039
legitimate as well so that pushes the

454
00:19:09,950 --> 00:19:08,039
dates back to the late 12th century

455
00:19:13,430 --> 00:19:09,960
um and that makes sense to me because at

456
00:19:15,289 --> 00:19:13,440
some point the Templars figured out that

457
00:19:16,610 --> 00:19:15,299
they were on a collision course with the

458
00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:16,620
church that even though they were the

459
00:19:20,990 --> 00:19:18,960
army of the church that their belief set

460
00:19:23,450 --> 00:19:21,000
was

461
00:19:25,610 --> 00:19:23,460
different than the church that they had

462
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:25,620
been spent time in Jerusalem they'd

463
00:19:28,430 --> 00:19:26,880
learned certain things we're not quite

464
00:19:30,650 --> 00:19:28,440
sure exactly what they were but they had

465
00:19:31,970 --> 00:19:30,660
learned certain things and and had a

466
00:19:33,409 --> 00:19:31,980
belief set that was different than the

467
00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:33,419
church and at some point

468
00:19:38,210 --> 00:19:35,760
they were going to collide and so in

469
00:19:39,650 --> 00:19:38,220
anticipation of that and having seen

470
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what happened

471
00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:42,600
to other Christians who disagreed with

472
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the church in something called The

473
00:19:49,850 --> 00:19:47,520
albigensian Crusade where hundreds of

474
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thousands of French Christians are wiped

475
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out by the church of being the wrong

476
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:53,340
kind of Christians in anticipation of

477
00:19:56,090 --> 00:19:55,200
something like that happening to them I

478
00:19:58,730 --> 00:19:56,100
think

479
00:20:01,610 --> 00:19:58,740
in the late 1100s that was why they came

480
00:20:03,950 --> 00:20:01,620
over to America to establish a safe

481
00:20:06,289 --> 00:20:03,960
haven to find a place where they could

482
00:20:07,970 --> 00:20:06,299
flee if they needed to a place where

483
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they could bring their secrets and their

484
00:20:13,130 --> 00:20:10,200
treasures and keep them away from the

485
00:20:15,169 --> 00:20:13,140
Vatican so to me that's the impetus for

486
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:15,179
them coming over here when they did in

487
00:20:19,850 --> 00:20:17,280
the 12th century and then later on in

488
00:20:21,110 --> 00:20:19,860
the 14th century they had no choice but

489
00:20:23,570 --> 00:20:21,120
to come over here because they've been

490
00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:23,580
outlawed and they were on the Run uh and

491
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and that was sort of the second wave of

492
00:20:29,630 --> 00:20:27,179
that so answer your question I think

493
00:20:31,789 --> 00:20:29,640
12th century probably 14th century

494
00:20:33,710 --> 00:20:31,799
definitely well you know the question on

495
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:33,720
everybody's mind you know the treasures

496
00:20:36,650 --> 00:20:35,280
you know what did they bring with them

497
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:36,660
and why

498
00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:39,600
uh that's uh it's it's it's Indiana

499
00:20:44,330 --> 00:20:41,760
Jones stuff isn't it

500
00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:44,340
yeah I mean it it it's

501
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:46,320
there's a whole laundry list of

502
00:20:50,570 --> 00:20:48,480
possibilities yes Ark of the Covenant

503
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:50,580
possibility the the Holy Grail

504
00:20:55,549 --> 00:20:54,000
possibility the um I know you've had Tim

505
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:55,559
Hogan on your on your show he talks

506
00:21:00,590 --> 00:20:59,280
about Manna the the staff of Moses those

507
00:21:02,570 --> 00:21:00,600
are possibilities he's talked about

508
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:02,580
those as part of the Templar treasure

509
00:21:08,090 --> 00:21:06,960
also just secret uh writings

510
00:21:11,630 --> 00:21:08,100
um one of the things that's talked about

511
00:21:14,450 --> 00:21:11,640
in the cremona document uh the 1179

512
00:21:17,690 --> 00:21:14,460
journey is a marriage contract between

513
00:21:19,850 --> 00:21:17,700
Jesus and Mary Magdalene a katuba uh

514
00:21:22,370 --> 00:21:19,860
from that that was brought over in a

515
00:21:24,650 --> 00:21:22,380
scroll that was secreted in the Catskill

516
00:21:26,029 --> 00:21:24,660
Mountains So that obviously would be an

517
00:21:27,650 --> 00:21:26,039
incredibly important thing and something

518
00:21:30,049 --> 00:21:27,660
that the Templars would have wanted to

519
00:21:31,970 --> 00:21:30,059
keep away from the church the church

520
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:31,980
would probably want to destroy that so

521
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:34,080
there's that possibility

522
00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:34,799
um

523
00:21:40,490 --> 00:21:37,919
it could be something if it's simpler

524
00:21:44,210 --> 00:21:40,500
something like uh

525
00:21:46,850 --> 00:21:44,220
science uh architecture the ability to

526
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:46,860
build these amazing Gothic Cathedrals

527
00:21:50,570 --> 00:21:48,480
that that all came out of the Templar

528
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:50,580
era they built these amazing Cathedrals

529
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:53,039
like Notre Dame and sharks and that was

530
00:21:57,770 --> 00:21:55,679
all new to Europe Europe was coming out

531
00:21:59,570 --> 00:21:57,780
of the Dark Ages at that time the

532
00:22:01,549 --> 00:21:59,580
tampons Went to went to the Middle East

533
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:01,559
and learned all these secrets of

534
00:22:06,289 --> 00:22:04,320
architecture and and and Mathematics and

535
00:22:09,049 --> 00:22:06,299
so those kinds of things those kinds of

536
00:22:11,450 --> 00:22:09,059
Secrets knowledge that the church didn't

537
00:22:13,250 --> 00:22:11,460
necessarily want people to have that

538
00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:13,260
knowledge they didn't necessarily want

539
00:22:18,289 --> 00:22:15,840
Europe to come out of the Dark Ages they

540
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:18,299
liked people being ignorant they liked

541
00:22:23,390 --> 00:22:20,880
people turning to the church for answers

542
00:22:26,090 --> 00:22:23,400
they like people paying the church to

543
00:22:28,250 --> 00:22:26,100
heal them all those things were sort of

544
00:22:30,909 --> 00:22:28,260
a monopoly that the church had and they

545
00:22:33,950 --> 00:22:30,919
weren't anxious to see

546
00:22:36,110 --> 00:22:33,960
newfangled ideas coming into Europe at

547
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,120
the time another reason why the Templars

548
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:38,400
of the church were butting heads But to

549
00:22:42,649 --> 00:22:39,840
answer your question directly you know

550
00:22:43,610 --> 00:22:42,659
what were the treasures it's probably a

551
00:22:45,470 --> 00:22:43,620
combination of all those things

552
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:45,480
religious Treasures

553
00:22:50,570 --> 00:22:48,480
ancient knowledge and then some kind of

554
00:22:52,370 --> 00:22:50,580
just basic gold and silver you know the

555
00:22:54,130 --> 00:22:52,380
the the treasure as we think of it in

556
00:22:57,649 --> 00:22:54,140
this purest form monetary

557
00:23:00,289 --> 00:22:57,659
the the reason for this

558
00:23:02,930 --> 00:23:00,299
um uh first off it would be fascinating

559
00:23:05,330 --> 00:23:02,940
for for the world to to learn about

560
00:23:09,230 --> 00:23:05,340
something that is supposed to be just

561
00:23:12,289 --> 00:23:09,240
folklore right or a good movie script

562
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:12,299
but to have a you know conspiracy of

563
00:23:16,730 --> 00:23:14,159
this kind surface and turn out to be

564
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:16,740
true that's you know we we love those

565
00:23:20,810 --> 00:23:18,720
kinds of stories

566
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:20,820
um but the other part of it is those

567
00:23:27,289 --> 00:23:24,000
that are in possession of this type of

568
00:23:30,529 --> 00:23:27,299
thing well also uh would hope for some

569
00:23:33,529 --> 00:23:30,539
sort of control you know to to have

570
00:23:35,149 --> 00:23:33,539
power associated with that

571
00:23:38,450 --> 00:23:35,159
um not only the church but just just

572
00:23:42,110 --> 00:23:40,010
yeah I mean there's a reason why this

573
00:23:45,409 --> 00:23:42,120
stuff is has been hidden right I mean if

574
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,419
if we're if it if people didn't want it

575
00:23:49,490 --> 00:23:47,520
hidden we know about it already and so

576
00:23:51,529 --> 00:23:49,500
this goes back to

577
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:51,539
um are we ready to see these Treasures

578
00:23:56,210 --> 00:23:54,000
are we ready to learn the truths

579
00:23:59,090 --> 00:23:56,220
um if some of those truths are contrary

580
00:24:02,330 --> 00:23:59,100
to Orthodox teachings of Christianity

581
00:24:05,090 --> 00:24:02,340
you know is that stuff that we're ready

582
00:24:06,169 --> 00:24:05,100
to learn my latest book actually thank

583
00:24:07,850 --> 00:24:06,179
you for the segue because I'm going to

584
00:24:10,909 --> 00:24:07,860
take it right now the latest book I

585
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:10,919
wrote which is one nation under John

586
00:24:17,169 --> 00:24:14,880
um it talks about the possibility that

587
00:24:19,789 --> 00:24:17,179
the founding fathers of this country

588
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:19,799
that many of them actually may have been

589
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:24,240
uh not worshipers of Jesus as we think

590
00:24:28,610 --> 00:24:26,240
of it in Christianity but instead

591
00:24:32,330 --> 00:24:28,620
venerators and worshipers of John the

592
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:32,340
Baptist there's this whole idea in

593
00:24:35,570 --> 00:24:33,360
um and and

594
00:24:39,010 --> 00:24:35,580
um Albert Pike who who Who's the sort of

595
00:24:41,090 --> 00:24:39,020
the the preeminent Masonic freemasonic

596
00:24:43,070 --> 00:24:41,100
historian and writer who wrote a book

597
00:24:44,510 --> 00:24:43,080
called morals and Dogma which is

598
00:24:48,169 --> 00:24:44,520
something that was is given out even

599
00:24:49,610 --> 00:24:48,179
today to Young uh Masons when they join

600
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:49,620
and when they're initiated they get this

601
00:24:53,930 --> 00:24:51,840
book called morals and Dogma Pike wrote

602
00:24:57,409 --> 00:24:53,940
in morals and Dogma that the Templars

603
00:24:59,330 --> 00:24:57,419
had two beliefs one was their their

604
00:25:01,850 --> 00:24:59,340
public belief which was Roman Catholic

605
00:25:03,950 --> 00:25:01,860
but they also had a secret belief that

606
00:25:06,529 --> 00:25:03,960
their leaders had which was called

607
00:25:10,250 --> 00:25:06,539
joanism where they believed in John the

608
00:25:11,570 --> 00:25:10,260
Baptist being the Messiah not Jesus and

609
00:25:13,010 --> 00:25:11,580
this goes back to things that they

610
00:25:16,210 --> 00:25:13,020
discovered when they were in the Middle

611
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:16,220
East writings whatever it was they found

612
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:19,440
and there's a group there's a sect of

613
00:25:24,350 --> 00:25:21,120
people still today in the Middle East

614
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:24,360
called the mandaeans who believe that in

615
00:25:28,669 --> 00:25:26,159
the Templars of the mandaeans had

616
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,679
relations when the Templars were in

617
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:30,480
Jerusalem in the 11th century and that

618
00:25:33,409 --> 00:25:31,679
may have been where they got this idea

619
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:33,419
now the point is

620
00:25:38,930 --> 00:25:36,480
it may be that according to the Templars

621
00:25:40,610 --> 00:25:38,940
and again the Templars were considered

622
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:40,620
Heretics by the church and this may be

623
00:25:47,690 --> 00:25:44,640
why but they this whole idea that John

624
00:25:49,490 --> 00:25:47,700
the Baptist was really supposed to be

625
00:25:52,250 --> 00:25:49,500
supposed to really supposed to share

626
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:52,260
power with Jesus there's a Dead Sea

627
00:25:59,090 --> 00:25:54,799
scroll called uh number

628
00:26:02,029 --> 00:25:59,100
4q521 that talks about uh the prophecy

629
00:26:03,470 --> 00:26:02,039
in the first century BC

630
00:26:06,409 --> 00:26:03,480
um the prophecy was that there was going

631
00:26:08,090 --> 00:26:06,419
to be two Messiahs a kingly messiah from

632
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,100
the House of David and that would be

633
00:26:13,010 --> 00:26:11,039
Jesus and a priestly's messiah from the

634
00:26:15,230 --> 00:26:13,020
house of of Moses from the house of

635
00:26:17,149 --> 00:26:15,240
Aaron a priest and that was John the

636
00:26:18,830 --> 00:26:17,159
Baptist and the two of them were going

637
00:26:20,570 --> 00:26:18,840
to come and they were going to rule

638
00:26:22,010 --> 00:26:20,580
jointly

639
00:26:25,789 --> 00:26:22,020
um and then of course John the Baptist

640
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:25,799
was was murdered by King Herod and Jesus

641
00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:28,320
sort of took both of those roles the

642
00:26:32,750 --> 00:26:31,260
king and the priest and although we

643
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,760
don't know about that so much today but

644
00:26:37,130 --> 00:26:34,559
back then that was a big deal a lot of

645
00:26:39,950 --> 00:26:37,140
the John the Baptist followers did not

646
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:39,960
appreciate Jesus sort of taking both

647
00:26:44,570 --> 00:26:42,480
roles and I mentioned the mandaians

648
00:26:47,870 --> 00:26:44,580
their worshipers of John the Baptist

649
00:26:50,570 --> 00:26:47,880
they refer to Jesus uh as the evil

650
00:26:53,450 --> 00:26:50,580
usurper believing he actually usurped

651
00:26:55,610 --> 00:26:53,460
half of the

652
00:26:57,950 --> 00:26:55,620
power the half that was supposed to

653
00:26:59,570 --> 00:26:57,960
belong to John the Baptist so anyway so

654
00:27:01,070 --> 00:26:59,580
these are the kinds of things I just

655
00:27:02,090 --> 00:27:01,080
wrote about it in my latest book we can

656
00:27:04,430 --> 00:27:02,100
talk more about it but these are the

657
00:27:06,590 --> 00:27:04,440
kinds of things that we not may not be

658
00:27:08,330 --> 00:27:06,600
ready as a society to learn about that

659
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,340
it's going to undermine a lot of our

660
00:27:13,630 --> 00:27:10,559
religious beliefs and and maybe that

661
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:13,640
those things are hidden for a reason

662
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:18,720
when you get into research like I have

663
00:27:27,230 --> 00:27:22,880
new interview you read one of the

664
00:27:30,769 --> 00:27:27,240
underlying names that is there

665
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:30,779
throughout history in in this context is

666
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:34,320
John the Baptist and you're right about

667
00:27:40,250 --> 00:27:36,559
that today

668
00:27:43,490 --> 00:27:40,260
not discussed but if you get into these

669
00:27:46,130 --> 00:27:43,500
little Circles of John the Baptist it's

670
00:27:48,370 --> 00:27:46,140
like you know I I wonder

671
00:27:51,169 --> 00:27:48,380
okay let's let's just go right there

672
00:27:54,250 --> 00:27:51,179
where's his body today

673
00:27:56,350 --> 00:27:54,260
where's the pro where's that we you know

674
00:27:59,870 --> 00:27:56,360
his tone is

675
00:28:02,210 --> 00:27:59,880
could John the Baptist be one of the

676
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:02,220
treasures that the Templars brought to

677
00:28:06,350 --> 00:28:04,320
North America

678
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:06,360
it's not his body as much as his head

679
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:08,880
Jimmy right that's the thing I don't

680
00:28:12,350 --> 00:28:11,279
want to go there but yeah let's go there

681
00:28:14,450 --> 00:28:12,360
come on let's go there because that's

682
00:28:16,610 --> 00:28:14,460
that's I mean the story is for for

683
00:28:18,529 --> 00:28:16,620
viewers and listeners who don't know the

684
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:18,539
story the whole thing about John the

685
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:21,360
Baptist is is a whole story about King

686
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:24,720
Herod he had a dancer named Salome she

687
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:27,120
did a wonderful job in exotic dance the

688
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:29,520
dance of the seven veils and he said

689
00:28:33,649 --> 00:28:31,200
that was so beautiful what do you want

690
00:28:35,570 --> 00:28:33,659
anything you want in my kingdom and she

691
00:28:37,730 --> 00:28:35,580
said I want the head of John the Baptist

692
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:37,740
because John the Baptist had insulted

693
00:28:42,289 --> 00:28:40,080
her mother for a marriage that was John

694
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:42,299
thought was inappropriate and Herod gave

695
00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:43,919
her the head the head of John the

696
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:46,860
Baptist and that head the body we think

697
00:28:51,950 --> 00:28:50,159
was was buried the recent story out of

698
00:28:53,870 --> 00:28:51,960
Israel they may have found the body but

699
00:28:55,789 --> 00:28:53,880
that head no one seems to have been able

700
00:28:57,769 --> 00:28:55,799
to find the head one of the things that

701
00:29:01,070 --> 00:28:57,779
Templars were accused of

702
00:29:03,049 --> 00:29:01,080
during their trial in 1307 was of

703
00:29:06,010 --> 00:29:03,059
worshiping this head called Baphomet

704
00:29:08,289 --> 00:29:06,020
that's right look at the

705
00:29:11,090 --> 00:29:08,299
b-a-p-h-o-m-e-t and

706
00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:11,100
b-a-p-t-i-s-m baptism Baptist those

707
00:29:14,450 --> 00:29:12,360
words sort of

708
00:29:16,669 --> 00:29:14,460
meshed together and you might see where

709
00:29:18,830 --> 00:29:16,679
one might lead to the other and it may

710
00:29:21,409 --> 00:29:18,840
be that that head that they worship is

711
00:29:24,649 --> 00:29:21,419
John the Baptist's head and that may be

712
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:24,659
Baphomet and so that's you know that's a

713
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,799
possibility yeah and

714
00:29:33,230 --> 00:29:30,720
um I'm so glad that I did I didn't want

715
00:29:36,830 --> 00:29:33,240
to bring it up like I'm doing some whack

716
00:29:37,970 --> 00:29:36,840
research right but you once you get into

717
00:29:40,909 --> 00:29:37,980
this

718
00:29:42,169 --> 00:29:40,919
the head of John the Baptist has toured

719
00:29:45,529 --> 00:29:42,179
the world

720
00:29:46,730 --> 00:29:45,539
okay and you can find like seven or

721
00:29:49,789 --> 00:29:46,740
eight of them around they're all over

722
00:29:54,110 --> 00:29:49,799
the place yeah yes yes yes yes

723
00:30:01,850 --> 00:29:58,909
I I realize everybody this this is is a

724
00:30:04,730 --> 00:30:01,860
strange turn in the conversation but it

725
00:30:08,810 --> 00:30:04,740
is very important all right now let's

726
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:08,820
say somebody says I'm speaking

727
00:30:13,850 --> 00:30:10,559
completely hypothetically here David

728
00:30:15,649 --> 00:30:13,860
okay somebody says okay I have the head

729
00:30:18,769 --> 00:30:15,659
of John the Baptist

730
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:18,779
can that be tested now we can carbon

731
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,080
date it but I'm talking about d and a is

732
00:30:28,130 --> 00:30:24,480
or you know what would we how would you

733
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:28,140
prove the head of John the Baptist she's

734
00:30:31,250 --> 00:30:29,760
I don't know if you could Jimmy I know

735
00:30:32,570 --> 00:30:31,260
that um you could like you said you get

736
00:30:34,370 --> 00:30:32,580
a date on it

737
00:30:37,850 --> 00:30:34,380
and

738
00:30:40,730 --> 00:30:37,860
do we know I think we know his

739
00:30:42,110 --> 00:30:40,740
parents his mother at least but I don't

740
00:30:44,029 --> 00:30:42,120
know if we know where she's buried

741
00:30:45,409 --> 00:30:44,039
that'd be a real hard one I mean you

742
00:30:46,850 --> 00:30:45,419
could you could probably get close

743
00:30:49,130 --> 00:30:46,860
because you probably we probably know

744
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:49,140
enough about him to know where he lived

745
00:30:53,630 --> 00:30:51,120
and where he was born and there's

746
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:53,640
probably an ethnicity that we can

747
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:56,159
associate with that area

748
00:31:00,830 --> 00:30:58,559
um so you get pretty close but I'm not

749
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:00,840
sure you could get it to 100 certainty

750
00:31:05,330 --> 00:31:03,600
that would be a tough one do you do you

751
00:31:07,610 --> 00:31:05,340
would you be surprised if it happened

752
00:31:10,490 --> 00:31:07,620
and somebody said okay here it is that

753
00:31:12,889 --> 00:31:10,500
I'm telling you this is go ahead test it

754
00:31:15,710 --> 00:31:12,899
would you be surprised

755
00:31:16,850 --> 00:31:15,720
I I think it no because I do think that

756
00:31:18,289 --> 00:31:16,860
there's there's

757
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:18,299
um a good friend of mine just came back

758
00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:21,600
from um Istanbul and took a picture of

759
00:31:26,750 --> 00:31:23,700
the head of John the Baptist

760
00:31:28,549 --> 00:31:26,760
um I was in uh Belgium a couple years

761
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:28,559
ago in the Ghent looking at something

762
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:31,200
called the Ghent Altarpiece and in the

763
00:31:35,570 --> 00:31:33,840
Crypt beneath the saint Bible's

764
00:31:36,830 --> 00:31:35,580
Cathedral is the head of John the

765
00:31:38,510 --> 00:31:36,840
Baptist

766
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,520
um it was literally six or seven places

767
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:40,559
around Europe claimed to have the head

768
00:31:45,169 --> 00:31:42,960
of John the Baptist one of them probably

769
00:31:47,510 --> 00:31:45,179
does I mean it's it was important enough

770
00:31:49,730 --> 00:31:47,520
he was a well-known enough guy at the

771
00:31:52,190 --> 00:31:49,740
time of his death that somebody would

772
00:31:55,370 --> 00:31:52,200
have probably kept it and and especially

773
00:31:57,769 --> 00:31:55,380
back then those kinds of things were

774
00:32:00,409 --> 00:31:57,779
believed to have almost magical powers

775
00:32:02,269 --> 00:32:00,419
you still to this day see a lot of

776
00:32:04,490 --> 00:32:02,279
churches that have the bones the finger

777
00:32:06,350 --> 00:32:04,500
of this saint and the the toe of that

778
00:32:07,850 --> 00:32:06,360
Saint and but the head of John the

779
00:32:09,889 --> 00:32:07,860
Baptist back then would have been a big

780
00:32:12,529 --> 00:32:09,899
deal so it makes sense that somebody

781
00:32:14,690 --> 00:32:12,539
would have kept it so I wouldn't be

782
00:32:17,690 --> 00:32:14,700
surprised if somebody found it and it

783
00:32:20,269 --> 00:32:17,700
could be proven scientifically the other

784
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:20,279
thing about it back then the head was

785
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:22,320
believed to sort of be the the life

786
00:32:26,210 --> 00:32:24,000
force and so

787
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:26,220
and this gets back into some of the

788
00:32:30,110 --> 00:32:27,840
ugliness of what the mandaeans believe

789
00:32:32,690 --> 00:32:30,120
and I apologize if anybody's offended by

790
00:32:36,850 --> 00:32:32,700
this but they believe that one of the

791
00:32:39,470 --> 00:32:36,860
things Jesus did was that he actually

792
00:32:41,210 --> 00:32:39,480
one of the ways you tried to take the

793
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:41,220
power from John the Baptist after John

794
00:32:46,490 --> 00:32:43,919
the Baptist died was that he he got hold

795
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:46,500
of the head himself and that he did that

796
00:32:53,389 --> 00:32:50,159
and he also they believe married John

797
00:32:55,130 --> 00:32:53,399
the Baptist's Widow Mary Magdalene I've

798
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:55,140
never heard that before that the Baptist

799
00:32:59,930 --> 00:32:57,360
actually was married to Mary Magdalene

800
00:33:02,389 --> 00:32:59,940
first but the way he sort of took the

801
00:33:04,909 --> 00:33:02,399
power was he took the head he took the

802
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:04,919
wife he adopted some of the teachings he

803
00:33:10,130 --> 00:33:07,440
basically you know swallowed up this

804
00:33:14,049 --> 00:33:10,140
whole John the Baptist aura

805
00:33:16,909 --> 00:33:14,059
by taking all the the power and the

806
00:33:19,730 --> 00:33:16,919
personality from the Baptist and and and

807
00:33:22,430 --> 00:33:19,740
and and and again again according to the

808
00:33:23,870 --> 00:33:22,440
mandan's usurped that power

809
00:33:25,850 --> 00:33:23,880
now

810
00:33:27,789 --> 00:33:25,860
um why

811
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:27,799
um uh

812
00:33:33,529 --> 00:33:31,440
when you you know I I don't want to

813
00:33:36,110 --> 00:33:33,539
offend Scott and he knows Scott and I

814
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:36,120
are are very close Okay but

815
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:40,880
it seems that he'll be okay

816
00:33:49,130 --> 00:33:44,880
good boy literally in figurative

817
00:33:52,009 --> 00:33:49,140
um uh is is the John the Baptist

818
00:33:54,350 --> 00:33:52,019
um ideas when you go back through

819
00:33:56,570 --> 00:33:54,360
history I have the image of again

820
00:33:58,909 --> 00:33:56,580
Altarpiece uh by the way and we can pull

821
00:34:01,370 --> 00:33:58,919
that up in just a second but

822
00:34:04,850 --> 00:34:01,380
um uh John the Baptist has been altered

823
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:04,860
and removed and added in and out of

824
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:07,200
various paintings for Millennia right

825
00:34:13,490 --> 00:34:11,040
this is this isn't anything new and when

826
00:34:15,490 --> 00:34:13,500
it comes to the Knights Templar uh when

827
00:34:18,889 --> 00:34:15,500
you start to get into these discussions

828
00:34:21,290 --> 00:34:18,899
it's not necessarily Jesus or the baby

829
00:34:22,970 --> 00:34:21,300
Jesus that is discussed it's it's John

830
00:34:25,250 --> 00:34:22,980
the Baptist isn't it

831
00:34:27,770 --> 00:34:25,260
yeah so the so when we talk about the

832
00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:27,780
Templars everyone immediately and I

833
00:34:32,329 --> 00:34:30,240
think rightfully so that they then

834
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:32,339
that leads to the Freemasons okay

835
00:34:36,349 --> 00:34:33,599
because we think there's a Continuum

836
00:34:37,369 --> 00:34:36,359
there and the Freemasons you know

837
00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:37,379
they're

838
00:34:42,290 --> 00:34:40,020
so much of their of their ritual is

839
00:34:44,930 --> 00:34:42,300
based on this June 24th date which is

840
00:34:47,149 --> 00:34:44,940
John the Baptist's birthday so the Grand

841
00:34:52,190 --> 00:34:47,159
Lodge of England the first lot was

842
00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:52,200
formed June 24th the the beautiful uh

843
00:34:56,450 --> 00:34:54,060
temple in Philadelphia the Masonic

844
00:34:59,870 --> 00:34:56,460
temple in Philadelphia Cornerstone June

845
00:35:01,609 --> 00:34:59,880
24th I can go down

846
00:35:06,349 --> 00:35:01,619
uh building after building after

847
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:06,359
building their annual calendar June 24th

848
00:35:12,050 --> 00:35:09,119
everything so much so much in Freemasons

849
00:35:14,089 --> 00:35:12,060
for me turns on the John the Baptist

850
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:14,099
stuff again not Jesus and same thing

851
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:16,079
with the Templars just John the Baptist

852
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:18,240
not Jesus and also with the Templars the

853
00:35:23,089 --> 00:35:21,359
Virgin Mary but again not Jesus

854
00:35:27,170 --> 00:35:23,099
um we'll look at some artwork maybe

855
00:35:28,730 --> 00:35:27,180
later on da Vinci seemed to be all all

856
00:35:31,690 --> 00:35:28,740
in on this and understand it perfectly

857
00:35:34,490 --> 00:35:31,700
he did four or five different paintings

858
00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:34,500
uh displaying John the Baptist and every

859
00:35:38,569 --> 00:35:36,420
single one John the Baptist has his

860
00:35:40,849 --> 00:35:38,579
finger up in the air is just saying I'm

861
00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:40,859
going up and remember that Dead Sea

862
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:43,020
School prophecy basically said there's

863
00:35:47,329 --> 00:35:44,880
going to be two Messiah as a Priestly

864
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:47,339
one and a kidney one Jesus and John the

865
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:49,680
Baptist but one of them only one of them

866
00:35:54,050 --> 00:35:52,320
was going to sit by God's side and that

867
00:35:56,569 --> 00:35:54,060
prophecy said it was the Priestly

868
00:35:58,609 --> 00:35:56,579
Messiah John the Baptist was supposed to

869
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,619
sit at God's side and when we pull up

870
00:36:02,329 --> 00:36:00,480
that Ghent Altar he's painting then we

871
00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:02,339
can pull that up right now yeah we see

872
00:36:06,170 --> 00:36:03,359
God

873
00:36:08,569 --> 00:36:06,180
we see Mary that middle those middle the

874
00:36:10,430 --> 00:36:08,579
middle three there at the top we see God

875
00:36:12,890 --> 00:36:10,440
in the Middle with his right hand up we

876
00:36:15,950 --> 00:36:12,900
see to his right the Virgin Mary and we

877
00:36:18,290 --> 00:36:15,960
see to his left not his son Jesus but we

878
00:36:19,790 --> 00:36:18,300
see John the Baptist and that's an

879
00:36:24,589 --> 00:36:19,800
interesting that was painted by a guy

880
00:36:26,510 --> 00:36:24,599
named uh um uh van Ike Vanek sorry

881
00:36:28,690 --> 00:36:26,520
pardon me uh

882
00:36:32,990 --> 00:36:28,700
um and and and

883
00:36:36,349 --> 00:36:33,000
his Patron was the Duke of burgundy who

884
00:36:38,450 --> 00:36:36,359
was very much into this whole templarism

885
00:36:39,970 --> 00:36:38,460
uh tapbox has been outlawed by that

886
00:36:42,650 --> 00:36:39,980
point but he started a whole new order

887
00:36:46,010 --> 00:36:42,660
uh the Golden Fleece which was based on

888
00:36:48,829 --> 00:36:46,020
the Templars he was very friendly with

889
00:36:51,230 --> 00:36:48,839
the Sinclair family uh who built Roslyn

890
00:36:52,970 --> 00:36:51,240
Chapel this is all all sort of the The

891
00:36:55,790 --> 00:36:52,980
Usual Suspects when it comes to the

892
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:55,800
Templars but if we look at that painting

893
00:37:00,650 --> 00:36:58,079
right there it's interesting that van

894
00:37:04,250 --> 00:37:00,660
Ike chose to display John the Baptist

895
00:37:06,050 --> 00:37:04,260
sitting next to God and not Jesus and

896
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:06,060
then if we zoom in a little bit on John

897
00:37:09,710 --> 00:37:08,160
the Baptist I think I have it sent you

898
00:37:12,109 --> 00:37:09,720
another picture there we can see John

899
00:37:15,410 --> 00:37:12,119
the Baptist wearing the green robe there

900
00:37:19,069 --> 00:37:15,420
and we zoom in on him we can see his

901
00:37:21,470 --> 00:37:19,079
finger go back yes finger touching the

902
00:37:23,569 --> 00:37:21,480
Templar cross and I don't think that's

903
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:23,579
an accident what's what's really cool

904
00:37:28,849 --> 00:37:25,680
about that is the the painting was

905
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:28,859
recently restored it's it's in the Saint

906
00:37:33,230 --> 00:37:31,440
Bible's cathedral in Ghent Belgium I was

907
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:33,240
recently restored so much of the detail

908
00:37:36,109 --> 00:37:34,800
had been lost and this is one of the

909
00:37:38,030 --> 00:37:36,119
things that they were able to uncover

910
00:37:40,670 --> 00:37:38,040
after after doing a thorough cleaning

911
00:37:43,370 --> 00:37:40,680
but that finger of sort of connecting

912
00:37:44,750 --> 00:37:43,380
John the Baptist to the Templars I don't

913
00:37:47,390 --> 00:37:44,760
think that's an accident I think that

914
00:37:50,349 --> 00:37:47,400
was an intentional message by the

915
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:50,359
painter but it's those kinds of things

916
00:37:55,069 --> 00:37:53,280
uh that as I did my research I kept

917
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:55,079
finding over and over again this idea

918
00:38:02,450 --> 00:37:58,800
these these these painters like Da Vinci

919
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,460
like van Ike uh that seem to be in the

920
00:38:07,310 --> 00:38:05,280
know seem to have this understanding of

921
00:38:09,770 --> 00:38:07,320
John the Baptist's importance that we

922
00:38:14,290 --> 00:38:09,780
don't necessarily have today

923
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:14,300
did uh did John the Baptist have

924
00:38:21,770 --> 00:38:18,240
what made the uh people nervous about

925
00:38:24,170 --> 00:38:21,780
him did he have powers you know the uh

926
00:38:27,770 --> 00:38:24,180
you know Jesus walking on performing

927
00:38:30,410 --> 00:38:27,780
Miracles and one fish two fish and and

928
00:38:33,770 --> 00:38:30,420
and and all of those things did John

929
00:38:36,890 --> 00:38:33,780
possess uh some of these abilities as

930
00:38:38,810 --> 00:38:36,900
well what freaked yeah so again King

931
00:38:41,210 --> 00:38:38,820
Herod who was the was the king of

932
00:38:44,270 --> 00:38:41,220
Jerusalem at the time he was

933
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:44,280
um sort of a a Roman puppet but he had

934
00:38:48,109 --> 00:38:45,599
power

935
00:38:51,230 --> 00:38:48,119
um and he was he was a he was very

936
00:38:52,609 --> 00:38:51,240
fearful that this was this prophecy that

937
00:38:54,410 --> 00:38:52,619
this Messiah was going to come and he

938
00:38:56,569 --> 00:38:54,420
was going to be deposed but he was

939
00:38:58,849 --> 00:38:56,579
mostly focused on

940
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:58,859
John the Baptist his big fear was that

941
00:39:03,290 --> 00:39:00,480
John the Baptist was going to be the one

942
00:39:05,089 --> 00:39:03,300
who came in and deposed him uh and

943
00:39:07,370 --> 00:39:05,099
dethroned him he wasn't really worried

944
00:39:10,370 --> 00:39:07,380
about Jesus he only became worried about

945
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:10,380
Jesus when Jesus started

946
00:39:16,490 --> 00:39:13,680
taking over John the Baptist ministry

947
00:39:19,010 --> 00:39:16,500
marrying the wife and and preaching the

948
00:39:22,190 --> 00:39:19,020
words of John the Baptist again so

949
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,200
originally King Herod was fearful of

950
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:24,480
John the Baptist it was John that had

951
00:39:29,810 --> 00:39:27,359
the power early on and only after he was

952
00:39:31,010 --> 00:39:29,820
murdered did Jesus sort of fill that

953
00:39:32,690 --> 00:39:31,020
void

954
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:32,700
is there

955
00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:35,280
um uh we're going to circle back to Da

956
00:39:40,430 --> 00:39:37,260
Vinci and some of this medieval artwork

957
00:39:43,250 --> 00:39:40,440
but but the connection you know with the

958
00:39:46,849 --> 00:39:43,260
with the Knights Templar in America and

959
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:46,859
and John the Baptist is is profound now

960
00:39:52,430 --> 00:39:50,880
are there any uh the artifacts that are

961
00:39:54,349 --> 00:39:52,440
here I don't want to talk about those

962
00:39:56,990 --> 00:39:54,359
before we get to the break uh that have

963
00:39:59,630 --> 00:39:57,000
been discovered so far I think they're

964
00:40:02,510 --> 00:39:59,640
important because with the internet

965
00:40:05,450 --> 00:40:02,520
today and books and stuff you can

966
00:40:09,530 --> 00:40:05,460
research ancient languages ancient texts

967
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:09,540
ancient runes you could you know teach

968
00:40:14,510 --> 00:40:12,720
yourself things but when these artifacts

969
00:40:17,930 --> 00:40:14,520
uh most of them when they were

970
00:40:20,690 --> 00:40:17,940
discovered if you would that nobody knew

971
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:20,700
about this stuff and and certainly the

972
00:40:25,730 --> 00:40:24,000
technique of writing and uh the styles

973
00:40:27,530 --> 00:40:25,740
of writing that were happening two

974
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:27,540
thousand years ago

975
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:30,480
um and I think that that the provenance

976
00:40:36,770 --> 00:40:33,359
um of of these artifacts is what is most

977
00:40:38,810 --> 00:40:36,780
important here right that they were done

978
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:38,820
before there was knowledge of these

979
00:40:42,829 --> 00:40:41,280
ancient languages yeah and that's an

980
00:40:45,290 --> 00:40:42,839
important point I get this question a

981
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:45,300
lot like why all of a sudden in the past

982
00:40:48,589 --> 00:40:47,040
20 years are we learning about all this

983
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,599
stuff and then you know for 100 years

984
00:40:52,190 --> 00:40:50,640
before that we didn't and the simple

985
00:40:54,349 --> 00:40:52,200
answer is the one you alluded to Jimmy

986
00:40:57,050 --> 00:40:54,359
which is that the internet all of a

987
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:57,060
sudden communication and knowledge is at

988
00:41:01,310 --> 00:40:59,520
our fingertips so it used to be that you

989
00:41:03,470 --> 00:41:01,320
know I lived in Western Massachusetts we

990
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:03,480
had the Western night Legend and Scott

991
00:41:07,370 --> 00:41:05,760
Walter lives in Minneapolis so he's

992
00:41:09,470 --> 00:41:07,380
familiar with the Kensington ruins zone

993
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:09,480
in Minnesota and another guy that we

994
00:41:13,790 --> 00:41:11,760
know lives up in Maine and so he knew

995
00:41:15,290 --> 00:41:13,800
about the spirit upon runestones in

996
00:41:17,210 --> 00:41:15,300
Maine and another guy sat in Newport

997
00:41:18,829 --> 00:41:17,220
Rhode Island he knows about the Newport

998
00:41:21,290 --> 00:41:18,839
Tower but we've never really

999
00:41:23,450 --> 00:41:21,300
communicated with each other until 20

1000
00:41:26,210 --> 00:41:23,460
years ago and all of a sudden

1001
00:41:28,849 --> 00:41:26,220
in a in a snap of a finger we can start

1002
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:28,859
sharing images and theories and

1003
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,160
immediate communication and and and

1004
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:34,800
um and ideas and so

1005
00:41:39,530 --> 00:41:37,920
the research is so much easier now and

1006
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:39,540
the ability to share research is so much

1007
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,760
easier that's why all this stuff is

1008
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,920
coming together for a long time so many

1009
00:41:49,310 --> 00:41:45,359
of these things were just considered to

1010
00:41:51,650 --> 00:41:49,320
be one-offs historical Oddities that

1011
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:51,660
they were only a single puzzle piece no

1012
00:41:56,990 --> 00:41:54,240
one knew there was a larger picture to

1013
00:41:58,970 --> 00:41:57,000
be seen here that everybody other people

1014
00:42:02,870 --> 00:41:58,980
around had seen had puzzle pieces that

1015
00:42:05,170 --> 00:42:02,880
fit in to the same picture so that's a

1016
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:05,180
big part of it you also talked about

1017
00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:07,920
provenance and and even with the

1018
00:42:14,089 --> 00:42:11,640
internet the idea that some of we still

1019
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:14,099
hear from some Skeptics and oh you know

1020
00:42:18,530 --> 00:42:15,839
that the Kensington Moonstone must have

1021
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:18,540
been forged by the far by The Farmer in

1022
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:21,839
the 1890s and the the runestone in in in

1023
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:24,960
Maine must have been forged and that I

1024
00:42:27,770 --> 00:42:25,920
mean

1025
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:27,780
the amount of forgeries that were done

1026
00:42:32,089 --> 00:42:29,760
the amount of free time people have to

1027
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:32,099
do this kind of stuff I mean and I'm not

1028
00:42:35,150 --> 00:42:33,359
saying that can't happen because of

1029
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:35,160
course it can anything can happen once

1030
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,680
or twice sure again

1031
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,560
I come at this as as a trained attorney

1032
00:42:44,650 --> 00:42:42,720
looking at evidence and at a certain

1033
00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:44,660
point the totality of the evidence

1034
00:42:49,849 --> 00:42:47,820
becomes so overwhelming you just can't

1035
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:49,859
have well we'll maybe talk later on

1036
00:42:54,349 --> 00:42:52,560
about Roman artifacts in America and the

1037
00:42:56,690 --> 00:42:54,359
number of Roman coins that have been

1038
00:42:59,150 --> 00:42:56,700
found on the beaches of America and

1039
00:43:01,609 --> 00:42:59,160
people say oh maybe maybe the seagull

1040
00:43:02,990 --> 00:43:01,619
dropped one or what there's so many of

1041
00:43:05,150 --> 00:43:03,000
them you just like enough already

1042
00:43:08,510 --> 00:43:05,160
there's only one explanation for this

1043
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:08,520
Occam's razor the obvious simple answer

1044
00:43:12,410 --> 00:43:10,560
is probably the correct one and with

1045
00:43:14,690 --> 00:43:12,420
this many artifacts

1046
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:14,700
the simple answer is they're here

1047
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:15,660
because

1048
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:20,400
some cockamami explanation about some

1049
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,040
farmer with an old dictionary with free

1050
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:25,680
time on his hand and carving a stone and

1051
00:43:29,450 --> 00:43:27,119
then burying it and waiting for the tree

1052
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:29,460
to fall just enough already with that

1053
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:30,240
stuff

1054
00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:35,760
there there's um uh it's not just one

1055
00:43:42,109 --> 00:43:39,060
culture one trans Oceanic culture we

1056
00:43:46,849 --> 00:43:42,119
have uh ancient Hebrew text right we

1057
00:43:50,270 --> 00:43:46,859
have a Norse texts we have uh in some

1058
00:43:53,569 --> 00:43:50,280
cases even Samarian uh text all the way

1059
00:43:56,349 --> 00:43:53,579
down to uh South America and up through

1060
00:43:58,510 --> 00:43:56,359
Central and and North America

1061
00:44:01,309 --> 00:43:58,520
uh different

1062
00:44:03,530 --> 00:44:01,319
that it's pretty straight it seems like

1063
00:44:06,410 --> 00:44:03,540
everybody was coming over here to hang

1064
00:44:08,210 --> 00:44:06,420
out at some point yeah right so

1065
00:44:11,089 --> 00:44:08,220
um we talked about the Phoenicians maybe

1066
00:44:13,809 --> 00:44:11,099
three thousand years ago I also found a

1067
00:44:17,390 --> 00:44:13,819
cluster of artifacts second century

1068
00:44:20,750 --> 00:44:17,400
Roman artifacts coins uh you mentioned

1069
00:44:23,450 --> 00:44:20,760
Hebrew uh inscriptions also seem to be

1070
00:44:25,490 --> 00:44:23,460
associated with that other artifacts a

1071
00:44:27,170 --> 00:44:25,500
lot of these artifacts by the way we've

1072
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:27,180
been able to put hard science behind

1073
00:44:30,589 --> 00:44:28,800
them because they were

1074
00:44:32,690 --> 00:44:30,599
um they were they were tested using in

1075
00:44:34,430 --> 00:44:32,700
something called optically stimulated

1076
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:34,440
luminescence testing some of these were

1077
00:44:38,750 --> 00:44:37,200
ceramic artifacts that you can test and

1078
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:38,760
determine the actual date of

1079
00:44:44,809 --> 00:44:41,760
construction and so second century Aid

1080
00:44:47,630 --> 00:44:44,819
diesel a huge number of artifacts and

1081
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:47,640
coins that are clustered second Century

1082
00:44:52,430 --> 00:44:50,400
A.D both in the New England area and the

1083
00:44:55,609 --> 00:44:52,440
Ohio River Valley and I think all of

1084
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:55,619
that is related to something called the

1085
00:45:02,030 --> 00:44:58,319
barkhopka uprising in Jerusalem in the

1086
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:02,040
year 130 A.D and I think there's a this

1087
00:45:07,609 --> 00:45:03,599
we can get into that more but there's a

1088
00:45:11,210 --> 00:45:07,619
a lost Roman legion the ninth Legion we

1089
00:45:13,250 --> 00:45:11,220
think was there they left uh Hadrian's

1090
00:45:15,470 --> 00:45:13,260
Wall came over to Jerusalem and then

1091
00:45:18,109 --> 00:45:15,480
they disappeared from history one of the

1092
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,119
possibilities is they took that treasure

1093
00:45:23,089 --> 00:45:21,119
in Jerusalem you know the temple

1094
00:45:24,530 --> 00:45:23,099
treasure disappeared No One Ever Knows

1095
00:45:25,370 --> 00:45:24,540
What happened to it but so did the ninth

1096
00:45:27,170 --> 00:45:25,380
Legion

1097
00:45:29,329 --> 00:45:27,180
maybe they brought all that stuff over

1098
00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:29,339
to America and that explains

1099
00:45:35,150 --> 00:45:31,740
so much of the artifacts all second

1100
00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:35,160
century plus the Hebrew carvings the

1101
00:45:39,710 --> 00:45:37,260
Hebrew wasn't done by Romans unless

1102
00:45:41,390 --> 00:45:39,720
there were Jewish refugees who were

1103
00:45:43,490 --> 00:45:41,400
partnered with that who came with them

1104
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:43,500
how else do we explain all of that so

1105
00:45:48,770 --> 00:45:46,800
you start having to say there's a lot of

1106
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:48,780
evidence we need a story that explains

1107
00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:50,880
every piece of it and that's one

1108
00:45:56,270 --> 00:45:52,640
possibility

1109
00:45:58,730 --> 00:45:56,280
the um when we have

1110
00:46:01,550 --> 00:45:58,740
um uh something like let's talk about

1111
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:01,560
the Kensington runestone for a second

1112
00:46:08,690 --> 00:46:04,560
um to suggest that everything's a

1113
00:46:10,910 --> 00:46:08,700
forgery okay it's as far as a skeptic

1114
00:46:13,010 --> 00:46:10,920
goes and you're in that debunking world

1115
00:46:16,910 --> 00:46:13,020
it's just too easy to do everything's a

1116
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:16,920
forgery but to have a simple farmer and

1117
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:23,280
his son understand uh ruins right to

1118
00:46:28,430 --> 00:46:27,119
inscribe accurately without mistakes and

1119
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:28,440
carve

1120
00:46:32,210 --> 00:46:29,599
um

1121
00:46:35,150 --> 00:46:32,220
we need to be a lot more sensible about

1122
00:46:37,569 --> 00:46:35,160
this and and and and and not jump to

1123
00:46:40,670 --> 00:46:37,579
that kind of conclusion

1124
00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:40,680
it's hard enough to get a a simple

1125
00:46:47,450 --> 00:46:45,180
farmer to to to write in English right

1126
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,460
right and Scott did some amazing I mean

1127
00:46:51,470 --> 00:46:49,440
I think this is Scott's most important

1128
00:46:53,329 --> 00:46:51,480
contribution to this field is the

1129
00:46:56,750 --> 00:46:53,339
research he did because because the

1130
00:46:59,450 --> 00:46:56,760
experts said originally that well we

1131
00:47:02,450 --> 00:46:59,460
know this must be a a forgery a hoax

1132
00:47:06,349 --> 00:47:02,460
because the farmer who did this made a

1133
00:47:08,270 --> 00:47:06,359
mistake he put a dot inside an r capital

1134
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:08,280
r he put a dot in it one of the runic

1135
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:10,079
letters is an r and there's no such

1136
00:47:15,410 --> 00:47:13,440
thing as a dotted R well Scott got on a

1137
00:47:17,390 --> 00:47:15,420
on a plane and he flew to Sweden to the

1138
00:47:19,730 --> 00:47:17,400
island of gotland and he went crawling

1139
00:47:22,670 --> 00:47:19,740
around the graveyards and the cemeteries

1140
00:47:23,690 --> 00:47:22,680
and he found the damn dotted R it's

1141
00:47:24,829 --> 00:47:23,700
right where he thought he would find it

1142
00:47:27,290 --> 00:47:24,839
because we know these guys came from

1143
00:47:29,210 --> 00:47:27,300
Gauntlet from that island and that

1144
00:47:31,130 --> 00:47:29,220
apparently on that island that's what

1145
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:31,140
they did to their RS it's like it's a

1146
00:47:35,450 --> 00:47:32,720
strange little

1147
00:47:37,730 --> 00:47:35,460
stylistic change a slang whatever it is

1148
00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:37,740
but right where he thought he would find

1149
00:47:41,569 --> 00:47:40,200
that he found it and there's no way the

1150
00:47:43,790 --> 00:47:41,579
farmer of course would have known about

1151
00:47:46,910 --> 00:47:43,800
this because the farmer had never been

1152
00:47:49,309 --> 00:47:46,920
to gotland you know he just was wasn't

1153
00:47:51,770 --> 00:47:49,319
where he had been so

1154
00:47:53,329 --> 00:47:51,780
um and so so basically what Scott did to

1155
00:47:55,250 --> 00:47:53,339
The Experts is he turned their argument

1156
00:47:58,130 --> 00:47:55,260
on its head the expert said well that

1157
00:48:00,050 --> 00:47:58,140
dotted R proves the Kensington runes a

1158
00:48:01,430 --> 00:48:00,060
hoax and Scottish said no no that dotted

1159
00:48:03,470 --> 00:48:01,440
R proves it's authentic because there's

1160
00:48:05,329 --> 00:48:03,480
no way the farmer knew about this letter

1161
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:05,339
when even you guys the experts don't

1162
00:48:08,809 --> 00:48:06,720
know about it how can the farmer know

1163
00:48:12,890 --> 00:48:08,819
about it so the fact that it was there

1164
00:48:14,809 --> 00:48:12,900
and it tied back to the the island of

1165
00:48:16,250 --> 00:48:14,819
origin of the trip of this this is where

1166
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:16,260
this journey began

1167
00:48:20,569 --> 00:48:18,720
that brought it all full circle so that

1168
00:48:22,970 --> 00:48:20,579
was Scott's most amazing contribution he

1169
00:48:25,490 --> 00:48:22,980
basically disproved the possibility of a

1170
00:48:28,250 --> 00:48:25,500
hoax and once you disapprove The hoax

1171
00:48:31,970 --> 00:48:28,260
now you're left with gotta be real yeah

1172
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,980
exactly and the same argument in in many

1173
00:48:36,530 --> 00:48:33,599
ways can be made for the Back Creek

1174
00:48:40,210 --> 00:48:36,540
Stone and I hold the Back Creek Stone up

1175
00:48:42,109 --> 00:48:40,220
there with with Kensington I think it is

1176
00:48:43,130 --> 00:48:42,119
after a couple beers we'll sit around

1177
00:48:46,670 --> 00:48:43,140
and say all right what's your Mount

1178
00:48:48,770 --> 00:48:46,680
Rushmore Tower enter the runestone that

1179
00:48:50,930 --> 00:48:48,780
Keystone Spirit you know we go back and

1180
00:48:54,349 --> 00:48:50,940
forth but yeah I to me the bats

1181
00:48:57,710 --> 00:48:54,359
Creekstone and uh I mentioned um earlier

1182
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:57,720
the the bar hopka Uprising

1183
00:49:03,950 --> 00:49:01,200
um The Back Creek Stone translation uh

1184
00:49:05,390 --> 00:49:03,960
ties very closely to that bar hopka

1185
00:49:06,730 --> 00:49:05,400
Uprising

1186
00:49:09,950 --> 00:49:06,740
um

1187
00:49:11,870 --> 00:49:09,960
means uh it's going to get into some

1188
00:49:14,990 --> 00:49:11,880
Linguistics here but basically means son

1189
00:49:16,670 --> 00:49:15,000
of the star comet okay barcapio was was

1190
00:49:20,569 --> 00:49:16,680
the the freedom fighter who led that

1191
00:49:22,210 --> 00:49:20,579
Uprising in Jerusalem uh in the year 130

1192
00:49:24,349 --> 00:49:22,220
ish A.D

1193
00:49:27,470 --> 00:49:24,359
the the

1194
00:49:29,410 --> 00:49:27,480
Back Creek Stone which was found in uh

1195
00:49:31,849 --> 00:49:29,420
Tennessee in the

1196
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:31,859
1880s I believe

1197
00:49:36,589 --> 00:49:34,800
um basically says um and I actually I

1198
00:49:38,270 --> 00:49:36,599
got to get this right hold on uh I'm

1199
00:49:42,109 --> 00:49:38,280
gonna have to look that up again but

1200
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,119
basically it ties into the bar hopka uh

1201
00:49:46,190 --> 00:49:44,400
name

1202
00:49:47,329 --> 00:49:46,200
um that translation and I'm and I'm

1203
00:49:49,010 --> 00:49:47,339
gonna have to look that up when we have

1204
00:49:50,450 --> 00:49:49,020
a break and come back to it but it ties

1205
00:49:51,890 --> 00:49:50,460
those really tightly together and I'll

1206
00:49:54,349 --> 00:49:51,900
get that I'll get the translation for

1207
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:54,359
you as a break because it's ancient

1208
00:50:06,410 --> 00:49:55,680
Hebrew

1209
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:06,420
stone was found in 1880 uh 1879 1880 and

1210
00:50:12,530 --> 00:50:10,079
by by a uh buy a Smithsonian um

1211
00:50:14,210 --> 00:50:12,540
archaeologist that's right that's right

1212
00:50:17,210 --> 00:50:14,220
that's right

1213
00:50:19,790 --> 00:50:17,220
um and I think the Back Creek stone is

1214
00:50:22,690 --> 00:50:19,800
still on display it's one the

1215
00:50:26,329 --> 00:50:22,700
Smithsonian never

1216
00:50:27,230 --> 00:50:26,339
they didn't skept aside the Back Creek

1217
00:50:29,329 --> 00:50:27,240
Stone

1218
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:29,339
I think that's still on display uh

1219
00:50:31,849 --> 00:50:31,200
University of Tennessee I believe right

1220
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:31,859
right right right right right right

1221
00:50:37,730 --> 00:50:35,040
right and it's it's

1222
00:50:39,770 --> 00:50:37,740
um it's considered authentic but to have

1223
00:50:42,410 --> 00:50:39,780
you know ancient Hebrew now the question

1224
00:50:43,790 --> 00:50:42,420
is when did it get here that's okay

1225
00:50:46,970 --> 00:50:43,800
that's that's a whole other matter

1226
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:46,980
altogether but did it get are we talking

1227
00:50:54,410 --> 00:50:50,160
about again a trans Oceanic culture at

1228
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:54,420
you know 100 A.D 150 A.D and I say the

1229
00:50:57,890 --> 00:50:55,680
answer is yes

1230
00:50:59,450 --> 00:50:57,900
right and that and that that ties into

1231
00:51:00,890 --> 00:50:59,460
what I was saying earlier that cluster

1232
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:00,900
of things in the second century the

1233
00:51:03,710 --> 00:51:02,880
cluster of artifacts

1234
00:51:07,790 --> 00:51:03,720
um

1235
00:51:09,530 --> 00:51:07,800
that uh the uh Back Creek zone is just

1236
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:09,540
one of them um but there's all these

1237
00:51:14,450 --> 00:51:11,760
artifacts there's a fascinating uh

1238
00:51:18,049 --> 00:51:14,460
Menorah uh shaped

1239
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:18,059
um fort in in Northern Ohio

1240
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:19,760
um

1241
00:51:31,609 --> 00:51:30,049
the Hanukkah celebration the Hanukkah

1242
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:31,619
festival in Judaism

1243
00:51:38,270 --> 00:51:34,800
um and and this in this fortification

1244
00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:38,280
um is matches a perfect design of a

1245
00:51:42,829 --> 00:51:40,740
menorah along with an oil lamp which is

1246
00:51:45,230 --> 00:51:42,839
also part of that Festival so why in the

1247
00:51:47,150 --> 00:51:45,240
world would a native with the with the

1248
00:51:50,930 --> 00:51:47,160
Native Americans or any kind of early

1249
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:50,940
settlers design a fort that honors a

1250
00:51:56,210 --> 00:51:53,280
Jewish Festival unless they were Jewish

1251
00:51:58,190 --> 00:51:56,220
so again we have this whole idea of the

1252
00:52:00,530 --> 00:51:58,200
Back Creek Stone the arm the fort

1253
00:52:02,150 --> 00:52:00,540
something called the the decaladstone

1254
00:52:03,770 --> 00:52:02,160
also from Ohio which is The Ten

1255
00:52:06,290 --> 00:52:03,780
Commandments carved in a picture of

1256
00:52:08,750 --> 00:52:06,300
Moses also dating the wood dating back

1257
00:52:11,089 --> 00:52:08,760
to the second century all these

1258
00:52:14,569 --> 00:52:11,099
Jewish related artifacts in the second

1259
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:14,579
century in the Ohio River Valley

1260
00:52:18,829 --> 00:52:16,559
why you know what's the story behind

1261
00:52:21,890 --> 00:52:18,839
that but there has to be a story what

1262
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:21,900
were the odds of uh the decalogue Stone

1263
00:52:25,370 --> 00:52:24,000
which is only this big right

1264
00:52:29,390 --> 00:52:25,380
it's not the size of a channel remote

1265
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:29,400
for your television it's a tiny little

1266
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:31,680
um I'm just glad it was found because

1267
00:52:37,849 --> 00:52:34,079
it's small we're not talking about some

1268
00:52:41,630 --> 00:52:37,859
ginormous you know carved tablet uh the

1269
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:41,640
decalogue stone is is very small right

1270
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:44,160
um and it was it was it was it found in

1271
00:52:49,490 --> 00:52:47,520
a Native American burial

1272
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:49,500
um Mound this is back when the

1273
00:52:52,910 --> 00:52:51,599
Smithsonian in the late 1800s they were

1274
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:52,920
going through all these burial mounds

1275
00:52:56,270 --> 00:52:55,440
and trying to trying to figure out you

1276
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:56,280
know

1277
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,559
oftentimes they found giant skeletons in

1278
00:53:02,210 --> 00:53:00,480
these burial mounts eight nine feet

1279
00:53:04,730 --> 00:53:02,220
skeletons you know a lot a lot of what

1280
00:53:06,109 --> 00:53:04,740
they found was that and and trying to

1281
00:53:08,450 --> 00:53:06,119
figure that mystery out that that

1282
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:08,460
mystery but in this particular case they

1283
00:53:12,109 --> 00:53:10,079
found the stone

1284
00:53:15,950 --> 00:53:12,119
and they thought originally it was an

1285
00:53:18,589 --> 00:53:15,960
ancient uh early kind of Cherokee script

1286
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:18,599
um and and and for for about 70 or 80

1287
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:21,119
years it was displayed that way and then

1288
00:53:26,450 --> 00:53:24,240
in the 1950s a uh a patent attorney from

1289
00:53:28,730 --> 00:53:26,460
Chicago I believe her name was Henrietta

1290
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:28,740
Mertz took a look at it turned it upside

1291
00:53:33,049 --> 00:53:30,240
down and said wait a second that's

1292
00:53:34,910 --> 00:53:33,059
Hebrew that's not Cherokee uh and then

1293
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:34,920
the Smithsonian started backtracking oh

1294
00:53:39,410 --> 00:53:37,440
we can't have Hebrew and you know even

1295
00:53:41,150 --> 00:53:39,420
though their guy found it so the only

1296
00:53:43,370 --> 00:53:41,160
thing they could do at that point and

1297
00:53:45,230 --> 00:53:43,380
Scott tells the story really well is is

1298
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:45,240
they started pointing their finger at

1299
00:53:50,329 --> 00:53:47,520
their own Guy saying well he must have

1300
00:53:53,390 --> 00:53:50,339
he must have somehow this must be a hoax

1301
00:53:55,849 --> 00:53:53,400
or or fabrication

1302
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:55,859
um you know because we know about we

1303
00:53:59,809 --> 00:53:57,839
know about him in the 1880s he was he

1304
00:54:01,069 --> 00:53:59,819
was known to drink a little whiskey well

1305
00:54:02,809 --> 00:54:01,079
I mean there's a surprise somebody in

1306
00:54:08,030 --> 00:54:02,819
the 1880s in Tennessee drinking whiskey

1307
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:10,130
why is it

1308
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:17,839
is always the bad guy

1309
00:54:24,650 --> 00:54:21,839
because where there's smoke there's fire

1310
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:24,660
so I've I disagree with Scott on this he

1311
00:54:29,870 --> 00:54:26,160
and other researchers they think there's

1312
00:54:32,809 --> 00:54:29,880
a a conspiracy uh you know to sort of

1313
00:54:34,430 --> 00:54:32,819
hide hide the truth from uh from

1314
00:54:38,990 --> 00:54:34,440
Americans I don't think that's the case

1315
00:54:41,690 --> 00:54:39,000
I think what there is is a um a feeling

1316
00:54:43,490 --> 00:54:41,700
amongst academic types that they don't

1317
00:54:45,890 --> 00:54:43,500
want to have egg on their face they

1318
00:54:47,450 --> 00:54:45,900
don't like to be embarrassed and most of

1319
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:47,460
these guys including the guys at the

1320
00:54:51,530 --> 00:54:48,720
Smithsonian

1321
00:54:54,410 --> 00:54:51,540
took a particular stand

1322
00:54:55,490 --> 00:54:54,420
so sort of a Line in the Sand saying you

1323
00:54:58,849 --> 00:54:55,500
know there was nobody here before

1324
00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:58,859
Columbus and X Y and Z did not happen

1325
00:55:03,710 --> 00:55:01,920
and then when evidence came up that

1326
00:55:06,049 --> 00:55:03,720
contradicted them made them look like

1327
00:55:08,329 --> 00:55:06,059
they were idiots they suppress that

1328
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:08,339
evidence not because of Any conspiracy

1329
00:55:10,910 --> 00:55:09,599
of Silence not because they didn't want

1330
00:55:12,829 --> 00:55:10,920
to know the truth but because they

1331
00:55:14,030 --> 00:55:12,839
didn't want to look stupid and I've

1332
00:55:17,630 --> 00:55:14,040
always felt that that's what's really

1333
00:55:19,730 --> 00:55:17,640
going on there that when we for a long

1334
00:55:22,790 --> 00:55:19,740
time if you were an Ivy League Professor

1335
00:55:25,010 --> 00:55:22,800
uh and you wanted to to have a PhD

1336
00:55:27,290 --> 00:55:25,020
dissertation that passed or he wanted to

1337
00:55:29,690 --> 00:55:27,300
get tenure if you're a professor

1338
00:55:32,990 --> 00:55:29,700
it was known that you could not question

1339
00:55:35,390 --> 00:55:33,000
the Primacy of Columbus okay Samuel

1340
00:55:38,329 --> 00:55:35,400
Elliott Morrison was the chairman of the

1341
00:55:40,730 --> 00:55:38,339
history department at Harvard he was a

1342
00:55:44,690 --> 00:55:40,740
biographer of Columbus Columbus was his

1343
00:55:45,950 --> 00:55:44,700
guy and if you dared cross Morrison by

1344
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:45,960
claiming anybody was here before

1345
00:55:50,809 --> 00:55:48,480
Columbus that was it academic suicide

1346
00:55:54,170 --> 00:55:50,819
okay so a whole generation of Scholars

1347
00:55:56,089 --> 00:55:54,180
that's over now probably to a degree but

1348
00:55:58,490 --> 00:55:56,099
it wasn't because Morrison

1349
00:56:01,130 --> 00:55:58,500
had some conspiracy theory it's because

1350
00:56:02,450 --> 00:56:01,140
he had staked out a claim his reputation

1351
00:56:05,809 --> 00:56:02,460
was was

1352
00:56:07,250 --> 00:56:05,819
at stake and he did not want to be

1353
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proven wrong

1354
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:09,180
and so that's what I think was going on

1355
00:56:13,490 --> 00:56:12,240
both in Academia and Smithsonian just a

1356
00:56:15,049 --> 00:56:13,500
question of human nature we don't have

1357
00:56:18,049 --> 00:56:15,059
to be wrong about stuff

1358
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:18,059
but it seems that

1359
00:56:23,630 --> 00:56:20,400
um I mean there is

1360
00:56:27,230 --> 00:56:23,640
there's no shortage of historical

1361
00:56:30,770 --> 00:56:27,240
references in the media uh about the

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00:56:34,010 --> 00:56:30,780
Smithsonian coming in and and taking

1363
00:56:36,109 --> 00:56:34,020
over stuff spiriting stuff away and that

1364
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:36,119
stuff disappearing

1365
00:56:43,790 --> 00:56:40,559
um and and it I I I I I almost got

1366
00:56:46,250 --> 00:56:43,800
a little bored in reading these these

1367
00:56:48,829 --> 00:56:46,260
news clippings uh at around the turn of

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00:56:52,910 --> 00:56:48,839
the century of this happening over and

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00:56:54,650 --> 00:56:52,920
over again and why why would the

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00:56:57,290 --> 00:56:54,660
Smithsonian

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00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:57,300
um care about Giants in America

1372
00:57:03,109 --> 00:56:59,760
you know I could understand I could

1373
00:57:05,930 --> 00:57:03,119
understand maybe a little bit uh you

1374
00:57:09,710 --> 00:57:05,940
know in a a cave full of Egyptian

1375
00:57:11,089 --> 00:57:09,720
artifacts in in the Grand Canyon I mean

1376
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:11,099
you might want to cover that one up a

1377
00:57:16,790 --> 00:57:13,680
little bit I don't know but but

1378
00:57:19,309 --> 00:57:16,800
um but the Smithsonian is named in these

1379
00:57:22,190 --> 00:57:19,319
articles over and over again

1380
00:57:23,930 --> 00:57:22,200
yeah so I again it goes back to whoever

1381
00:57:26,089 --> 00:57:23,940
it was I forget the guy's name who was

1382
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,099
in charge of the Smithsonian back then

1383
00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:28,559
who basically was

1384
00:57:35,089 --> 00:57:31,920
um His Name Escapes me but he championed

1385
00:57:36,829 --> 00:57:35,099
that whole idea that there was nobody

1386
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:36,839
here before Columbus and part of that by

1387
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:38,880
the way is the whole Manifest Destiny

1388
00:57:41,870 --> 00:57:40,319
thing yes

1389
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:41,880
um that that if if we're going to

1390
00:57:46,010 --> 00:57:43,680
justify taking all this land from the

1391
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:46,020
Native Americans and basically pushing

1392
00:57:50,569 --> 00:57:48,720
away across that it can't have already

1393
00:57:53,089 --> 00:57:50,579
been discovered by previous groups of

1394
00:57:56,089 --> 00:57:53,099
Europeans if that already happened then

1395
00:57:58,370 --> 00:57:56,099
we can't be God's choice to discover it

1396
00:58:00,770 --> 00:57:58,380
if it was already discovered so there's

1397
00:58:02,569 --> 00:58:00,780
partly that and and that was part of

1398
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:02,579
what was going on especially in the

1399
00:58:07,069 --> 00:58:05,040
early to mid 1800s this whole Manifest

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00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:07,079
Destiny thing it's okay to push the

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00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:09,119
natives off the land because God wanted

1402
00:58:13,549 --> 00:58:11,040
it that way wanted us to discover this

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00:58:14,930 --> 00:58:13,559
land and of course that

1404
00:58:16,190 --> 00:58:14,940
if they were again if there were other

1405
00:58:18,589 --> 00:58:16,200
people already here including the

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00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:18,599
Templars then

1407
00:58:23,390 --> 00:58:20,640
that goes out the window so that was

1408
00:58:25,609 --> 00:58:23,400
part of it for sure yeah the whole

1409
00:58:28,730 --> 00:58:25,619
Manifest Destiny

1410
00:58:31,309 --> 00:58:28,740
um thing when I when I studied that now

1411
00:58:34,430 --> 00:58:31,319
as an adult right it's one thing when

1412
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:34,440
you're a kid you read it now and man

1413
00:58:42,010 --> 00:58:38,160
that was effed up right I mean it was

1414
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:42,020
like totally and and and

1415
00:58:50,270 --> 00:58:45,200
how how do you

1416
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:50,280
have a a successful

1417
00:58:55,609 --> 00:58:54,000
um government throughout history how do

1418
00:58:58,490 --> 00:58:55,619
you do it how do you control the masses

1419
00:59:01,569 --> 00:58:58,500
well God said that's all you got to do

1420
00:59:04,670 --> 00:59:01,579
that's what Rome did right

1421
00:59:07,250 --> 00:59:04,680
this is God's government right I believe

1422
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:07,260
in God God believes in us and we believe

1423
00:59:13,609 --> 00:59:10,400
in you and and that whole tiered factor

1424
00:59:16,670 --> 00:59:13,619
and it's it's like the Playbook isn't it

1425
00:59:19,309 --> 00:59:16,680
and you just slap God on it and then

1426
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:19,319
suddenly uh everybody follows like

1427
00:59:26,030 --> 00:59:21,839
Lemmings to the Sea manifest Destinies

1428
00:59:28,190 --> 00:59:26,040
of classic example yeah it really is yes

1429
00:59:29,690 --> 00:59:28,200
JW Powell somebody just texted me by the

1430
00:59:31,789 --> 00:59:29,700
way the name of the guy who's ahead of

1431
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:31,799
Smithsonian back in the late 1800s JW

1432
00:59:36,589 --> 00:59:35,040
Powell and he was he had an agenda no

1433
00:59:38,030 --> 00:59:36,599
doubt about it and so a lot of those

1434
00:59:40,250 --> 00:59:38,040
artifacts disappeared because they

1435
00:59:43,490 --> 00:59:40,260
didn't fit his agenda

1436
00:59:45,710 --> 00:59:43,500
let's um let's take our uh break let's

1437
00:59:47,530 --> 00:59:45,720
get that in now this is Fade to Black

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00:59:50,329 --> 00:59:47,540
I'm your host Jimmy church and tonight

1439
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:50,339
David Brody is with us and we are

1440
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:52,319
discussing the Knights Templar in North

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America amongst other things like John

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the Baptist we'll be right back up to

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all right Welcome Back Fade to Black I'm

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01:04:03,230 --> 01:03:59,339
your host Jimmy Church our guest tonight

1539
01:04:07,910 --> 01:04:03,240
Dave Brody and today is an interesting

1540
01:04:11,930 --> 01:04:07,920
day everybody uh I realize the breaking

1541
01:04:16,130 --> 01:04:11,940
news that is all over the Internet

1542
01:04:19,549 --> 01:04:16,140
um and uh uh about our our government

1543
01:04:24,289 --> 01:04:19,559
and and corporations uh special access

1544
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:24,299
programs are in possession of uh

1545
01:04:30,049 --> 01:04:28,079
uh E.T flying saucers right there's no

1546
01:04:32,990 --> 01:04:30,059
other way to put it craft not built on

1547
01:04:36,049 --> 01:04:33,000
this Earth some of them intact uh from

1548
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:36,059
small artifacts all the way through uh

1549
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:39,599
to fully intact craft and uh this story

1550
01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:44,880
is breaking and uh we have uh quite a

1551
01:04:51,410 --> 01:04:48,720
few uh people to talk to in in the days

1552
01:04:54,170 --> 01:04:51,420
weeks and months ahead it's a it's a

1553
01:04:56,870 --> 01:04:54,180
very very big day and

1554
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:56,880
um for me I almost broke away uh this

1555
01:05:03,349 --> 01:04:59,760
afternoon and did a live stream if we go

1556
01:05:05,690 --> 01:05:03,359
back to December of uh 2017 uh when

1557
01:05:08,210 --> 01:05:05,700
Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal who

1558
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:08,220
wrote the article today

1559
01:05:14,270 --> 01:05:11,760
um uh disclosing uh three different uh

1560
01:05:16,910 --> 01:05:14,280
whistleblowers talking about this

1561
01:05:21,289 --> 01:05:16,920
um that it was it was a big day and here

1562
01:05:23,930 --> 01:05:21,299
we have June 5th now 2023

1563
01:05:25,930 --> 01:05:23,940
um a very interesting day so I will be

1564
01:05:29,630 --> 01:05:25,940
covering during this

1565
01:05:32,809 --> 01:05:29,640
completely in again the days weeks and

1566
01:05:35,089 --> 01:05:32,819
months ahead a very very big day but uh

1567
01:05:37,309 --> 01:05:35,099
the show today is about the ninth

1568
01:05:40,609 --> 01:05:37,319
Templar in in North America Our Guest is

1569
01:05:43,130 --> 01:05:40,619
Dave Brody and Dave I wanted to ask you

1570
01:05:45,650 --> 01:05:43,140
about and and thank you again I know

1571
01:05:47,450 --> 01:05:45,660
it's a crazy news day and it's it's out

1572
01:05:49,609 --> 01:05:47,460
of your wheelhouse

1573
01:05:52,490 --> 01:05:49,619
um it's just that that is the

1574
01:05:54,829 --> 01:05:52,500
conversation that is going on

1575
01:05:57,950 --> 01:05:54,839
um the back and forth and and the

1576
01:06:00,470 --> 01:05:57,960
Pentagon chiming in today and different

1577
01:06:02,390 --> 01:06:00,480
media organizations covering it and

1578
01:06:05,450 --> 01:06:02,400
everybody's clamoring to get to these

1579
01:06:08,809 --> 01:06:05,460
people and and uh you know get them on

1580
01:06:11,390 --> 01:06:08,819
the air it's it's it's it's it's nuts I

1581
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:11,400
I would have never thought

1582
01:06:16,849 --> 01:06:13,680
um uh we're going right back to the

1583
01:06:20,530 --> 01:06:16,859
Knights Templar but I just I never saw a

1584
01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:20,540
day like this uh a a period I should say

1585
01:06:26,630 --> 01:06:24,000
uh like this happening and it just seems

1586
01:06:29,270 --> 01:06:26,640
like it's it's not going to slow down

1587
01:06:31,910 --> 01:06:29,280
it's it's just very strange

1588
01:06:35,029 --> 01:06:31,920
you know so you know I'm not I'm not

1589
01:06:37,970 --> 01:06:35,039
that's not my field of expertise but

1590
01:06:40,190 --> 01:06:37,980
obviously anybody would be fascinated by

1591
01:06:41,410 --> 01:06:40,200
these Revelations

1592
01:06:43,549 --> 01:06:41,420
um

1593
01:06:45,829 --> 01:06:43,559
anybody who lives on this planet would

1594
01:06:47,210 --> 01:06:45,839
be fascinated by this stuff to me it's

1595
01:06:49,130 --> 01:06:47,220
always going to come down to the

1596
01:06:50,809 --> 01:06:49,140
evidence you know again I'm talking

1597
01:06:52,370 --> 01:06:50,819
about that and that's how I do my

1598
01:06:54,049 --> 01:06:52,380
research that's how I was trained as an

1599
01:06:56,529 --> 01:06:54,059
attorney this guy's name I think his

1600
01:06:59,089 --> 01:06:56,539
name is grush am I right about that

1601
01:07:01,069 --> 01:06:59,099
so you know he claims to have this is

1602
01:07:02,870 --> 01:07:01,079
sort of second hand right away my my

1603
01:07:04,609 --> 01:07:02,880
antenna go up as an attorney you know

1604
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:04,619
that's hearsay not that we're in a court

1605
01:07:08,450 --> 01:07:06,240
of law or anything but at some point

1606
01:07:09,950 --> 01:07:08,460
someone's actually got to have the goods

1607
01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:09,960
right someone's gonna actually get a

1608
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:12,960
show up with the the photographs or the

1609
01:07:15,950 --> 01:07:14,880
or the actual in this case we're talking

1610
01:07:21,970 --> 01:07:15,960
about

1611
01:07:25,549 --> 01:07:23,870
at some point someone's got to come

1612
01:07:27,710 --> 01:07:25,559
forward this stuff

1613
01:07:30,529 --> 01:07:27,720
um you know it seems like we're getting

1614
01:07:33,289 --> 01:07:30,539
closer and closer to that but to me it

1615
01:07:34,549 --> 01:07:33,299
always comes down to somebody's got to

1616
01:07:36,049 --> 01:07:34,559
have if these things are out there

1617
01:07:38,690 --> 01:07:36,059
somebody's got to have it someone's got

1618
01:07:41,089 --> 01:07:38,700
to be the Whistleblower this guy was but

1619
01:07:53,829 --> 01:07:41,099
let's see the actual the actual evidence

1620
01:07:58,849 --> 01:07:56,390
the other part about this

1621
01:08:02,089 --> 01:07:58,859
um where the similarities are there

1622
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:02,099
is you've got the Skeptics and the

1623
01:08:07,069 --> 01:08:03,359
debunkers

1624
01:08:10,510 --> 01:08:07,079
and here's the because you're dealing

1625
01:08:12,430 --> 01:08:10,520
with the same thing right yeah and but

1626
01:08:17,630 --> 01:08:12,440
the skeptical

1627
01:08:20,689 --> 01:08:17,640
um I don't know what their subscriptions

1628
01:08:24,349 --> 01:08:20,699
are to to their magazine but it's in the

1629
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:24,359
thousands it's not in the millions right

1630
01:08:31,070 --> 01:08:26,640
um the Skeptics are always it's a very

1631
01:08:35,150 --> 01:08:31,080
small group solid group right cemented

1632
01:08:37,789 --> 01:08:35,160
but very very small the debunker crowd

1633
01:08:41,590 --> 01:08:37,799
is singular these are singular

1634
01:08:44,809 --> 01:08:41,600
individuals but they're also the loudest

1635
01:08:47,090 --> 01:08:44,819
and they always they always manage to

1636
01:08:49,490 --> 01:08:47,100
get heard and you deal with the same

1637
01:08:50,749 --> 01:08:49,500
thing uh with your subjects right this

1638
01:08:52,729 --> 01:08:50,759
goes back to what I talked about before

1639
01:08:54,610 --> 01:08:52,739
the break they're the ones who are gonna

1640
01:08:57,650 --> 01:08:54,620
have egg on their face if it turns out

1641
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:57,660
that some of these alien claims are are

1642
01:09:02,930 --> 01:09:00,480
provable or if it turns out the Templar

1643
01:09:05,150 --> 01:09:02,940
claims are provable all these people who

1644
01:09:06,650 --> 01:09:05,160
have gone record year after year after

1645
01:09:08,510 --> 01:09:06,660
year saying it didn't happen it didn't

1646
01:09:10,010 --> 01:09:08,520
happen it didn't happen right they're

1647
01:09:12,530 --> 01:09:10,020
going to have incredible amounts of egg

1648
01:09:14,689 --> 01:09:12,540
on their face and no one wants that so

1649
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:14,699
you know that's why they're so loud and

1650
01:09:19,070 --> 01:09:17,040
so vehement uh their professional

1651
01:09:22,249 --> 01:09:19,080
reputations are at stake and I I get

1652
01:09:24,590 --> 01:09:22,259
that I understand that if it turns out

1653
01:09:26,510 --> 01:09:24,600
Scott and I Scott Walter and I joke

1654
01:09:29,209 --> 01:09:26,520
sometimes if it turns out that the

1655
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:29,219
Kensington Moonstone really was a hoax

1656
01:09:34,970 --> 01:09:32,640
I mean it's gonna be ugly for us you

1657
01:09:37,189 --> 01:09:34,980
know we've we've staked our our

1658
01:09:39,050 --> 01:09:37,199
reputations on that and it's going to be

1659
01:09:40,010 --> 01:09:39,060
hard for us to to come to grips with

1660
01:09:41,209 --> 01:09:40,020
that

1661
01:09:42,829 --> 01:09:41,219
um so I understand where they're coming

1662
01:09:44,390 --> 01:09:42,839
from if someone's going to be wrong here

1663
01:09:47,090 --> 01:09:44,400
and someone's gonna look like an idiot

1664
01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:47,100
at some point because one side of that

1665
01:09:52,669 --> 01:09:49,679
is going to prove it and um

1666
01:09:54,410 --> 01:09:52,679
you know no one likes that so that's why

1667
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:54,420
things get a little heated yeah yeah

1668
01:10:02,570 --> 01:09:57,840
yeah and and here's here's here's the

1669
01:10:04,970 --> 01:10:02,580
thing with that though is I think you

1670
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:04,980
want to be on the right side of History

1671
01:10:10,910 --> 01:10:06,960
right you want to be on the right side

1672
01:10:14,030 --> 01:10:10,920
and and the farther we push this into

1673
01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:14,040
the future with research the more our

1674
01:10:19,490 --> 01:10:16,800
knowledge base grows and that goes back

1675
01:10:22,970 --> 01:10:19,500
to you know there may be an Atlantis

1676
01:10:25,790 --> 01:10:22,980
right there may be there may be a stuff

1677
01:10:28,370 --> 01:10:25,800
in our distant distant distant past that

1678
01:10:30,530 --> 01:10:28,380
predates everything you want to be on

1679
01:10:33,890 --> 01:10:30,540
the right side of History you can't say

1680
01:10:36,890 --> 01:10:33,900
definitively right now that something is

1681
01:10:40,370 --> 01:10:36,900
is is wrong or something is you can't do

1682
01:10:43,010 --> 01:10:40,380
that it's better to yes and that's a

1683
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:43,020
really good point and so I want two two

1684
01:10:47,930 --> 01:10:45,600
comments of that one is I say all the

1685
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:47,940
time like I want to live in the world

1686
01:10:51,950 --> 01:10:49,679
these guys live in where everything is

1687
01:10:54,530 --> 01:10:51,960
so black and white and we're at 100

1688
01:10:56,930 --> 01:10:54,540
knowledge and we and we know everything

1689
01:10:58,490 --> 01:10:56,940
there is to know because that's the

1690
01:11:00,770 --> 01:10:58,500
world that they live in that they know

1691
01:11:03,290 --> 01:11:00,780
everything and human knowledge is not

1692
01:11:06,410 --> 01:11:03,300
going to advance one iota beyond what we

1693
01:11:08,270 --> 01:11:06,420
have today in their mind everything's

1694
01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:08,280
been established and there's no future

1695
01:11:13,310 --> 01:11:11,520
knowledge to be uncovered I'm like wow

1696
01:11:15,410 --> 01:11:13,320
that's not the world I live in because

1697
01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:15,420
the world I live in when I was in school

1698
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:17,760
they told me civilization began in

1699
01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:22,080
Mesopotamia 6 000 years ago now it turns

1700
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:26,159
out they're wrong by a factor of by by 6

1701
01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:28,800
000 years more it's 12 000 years ago in

1702
01:11:33,410 --> 01:11:30,719
go back late Tepe so they were wrong

1703
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:33,420
with a factor of two not just by a

1704
01:11:37,729 --> 01:11:36,480
little bit but that's the world I lived

1705
01:11:39,290 --> 01:11:37,739
in where things are always changing

1706
01:11:41,630 --> 01:11:39,300
where where

1707
01:11:44,450 --> 01:11:41,640
all those dates get keep getting pushed

1708
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:44,460
around and these guys they're just so

1709
01:11:48,110 --> 01:11:46,320
sure of themselves that they have a

1710
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:48,120
hundred percent knowledge so that's

1711
01:11:51,950 --> 01:11:50,400
point one point two and Scott and I

1712
01:11:54,530 --> 01:11:51,960
argue about this sometimes the

1713
01:11:56,689 --> 01:11:54,540
expression extraordinary claims require

1714
01:11:58,490 --> 01:11:56,699
extraordinary proof

1715
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:58,500
Scott says that shouldn't be the case it

1716
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:01,440
should be 51 49 I'm like no bring it on

1717
01:12:06,110 --> 01:12:04,080
because we're trying to change the way

1718
01:12:08,450 --> 01:12:06,120
people think and I accept the challenge

1719
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:08,460
that we should have extraordinary proof

1720
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:11,040
that we should have a high bar if we're

1721
01:12:14,510 --> 01:12:13,199
going to actually rewrite history it

1722
01:12:16,370 --> 01:12:14,520
shouldn't be easy to rewrite history

1723
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:16,380
because we don't want to make a mistake

1724
01:12:21,110 --> 01:12:18,960
I have to go back again and change it if

1725
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:21,120
we're right and Scott does agree with

1726
01:12:24,350 --> 01:12:22,560
this if we're right

1727
01:12:26,750 --> 01:12:24,360
then we should be able to find

1728
01:12:28,970 --> 01:12:26,760
extraordinary evidence because if you're

1729
01:12:30,830 --> 01:12:28,980
right then once you start breaking

1730
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:30,840
through that wall other things fall into

1731
01:12:35,870 --> 01:12:33,840
place and and and and other pieces of

1732
01:12:37,250 --> 01:12:35,880
evidence come in and support you and

1733
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:37,260
that's what we're finding is happening

1734
01:12:42,290 --> 01:12:38,640
that

1735
01:12:45,169 --> 01:12:42,300
as we Forge ahead and find new evidence

1736
01:12:47,810 --> 01:12:45,179
it does support us so I welcome that

1737
01:12:50,270 --> 01:12:47,820
that high bar of extraordinary claims

1738
01:12:52,010 --> 01:12:50,280
require extraordinary proof I think

1739
01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:52,020
that's okay and I think we're going to

1740
01:12:55,189 --> 01:12:53,520
get there

1741
01:12:56,990 --> 01:12:55,199
um and and

1742
01:12:58,550 --> 01:12:57,000
and that's that's the challenge that's

1743
01:13:02,330 --> 01:12:58,560
why we're not there quite yet what I

1744
01:13:03,410 --> 01:13:02,340
talked about the uh 1179 Templar journey

1745
01:13:06,110 --> 01:13:03,420
to America

1746
01:13:07,850 --> 01:13:06,120
if it was if it was just more reasonable

1747
01:13:10,370 --> 01:13:07,860
than like a burden of proof yeah we're

1748
01:13:11,930 --> 01:13:10,380
there on that but I'm not sure we're up

1749
01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:11,940
to the extraordinary proof I'm not sure

1750
01:13:16,189 --> 01:13:14,159
where you know I want the scientific

1751
01:13:18,830 --> 01:13:16,199
evidence and I don't have that yet on

1752
01:13:21,770 --> 01:13:18,840
that particular claim well okay but if

1753
01:13:24,169 --> 01:13:21,780
we look at things and this is where

1754
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:24,179
um I I start to get a little pissed off

1755
01:13:28,910 --> 01:13:26,400
and you've watched this show enough so

1756
01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:28,920
you know exactly what I'm about to say

1757
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:30,080
but

1758
01:13:37,630 --> 01:13:34,560
it Bears repeating and that is right now

1759
01:13:41,149 --> 01:13:37,640
you you have a law background

1760
01:13:42,910 --> 01:13:41,159
there are men and women in this country

1761
01:13:45,709 --> 01:13:42,920
in prison

1762
01:13:47,630 --> 01:13:45,719
on testimony

1763
01:13:56,450 --> 01:13:47,640
testimony

1764
01:13:57,649 --> 01:13:56,460
people have been uh executed on sworn

1765
01:14:02,149 --> 01:13:57,659
testimony

1766
01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:02,159
and and the the burden of proof when

1767
01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:04,080
when they said well you know it's it's

1768
01:14:10,010 --> 01:14:07,679
what somebody said how can we well you

1769
01:14:12,350 --> 01:14:10,020
know what we judge people with that

1770
01:14:13,910 --> 01:14:12,360
and so you can't have it both ways you

1771
01:14:17,149 --> 01:14:13,920
can't have one argument where somebody

1772
01:14:20,030 --> 01:14:17,159
is convicted to death over eyewitness

1773
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:20,040
testimony and then with everything else

1774
01:14:26,450 --> 01:14:24,239
you want something else that is is uh uh

1775
01:14:29,149 --> 01:14:26,460
fact-based and you're pushing stuff

1776
01:14:31,250 --> 01:14:29,159
across the table as as evidence you

1777
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:31,260
can't have it both ways and then we have

1778
01:14:37,010 --> 01:14:34,800
like the oral histories of Europe the

1779
01:14:38,990 --> 01:14:37,020
oral histories of North and South and

1780
01:14:40,970 --> 01:14:39,000
Central America

1781
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:40,980
um how much do we how much weight do we

1782
01:14:45,410 --> 01:14:43,199
put on that if we don't necessarily have

1783
01:14:48,590 --> 01:14:45,420
a written language uh to back that up

1784
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:48,600
that goes for Peru right Chile Argentina

1785
01:14:55,370 --> 01:14:53,280
Brazil Mexico uh North America we have

1786
01:14:56,689 --> 01:14:55,380
one of the I think to answer your

1787
01:14:58,130 --> 01:14:56,699
question a lot of weight by the way I

1788
01:15:01,970 --> 01:14:58,140
think the Native American oral history

1789
01:15:04,130 --> 01:15:01,980
was passed down in a very careful sacred

1790
01:15:06,110 --> 01:15:04,140
way so it's a very important part of

1791
01:15:08,270 --> 01:15:06,120
their culture and we should give it a

1792
01:15:10,669 --> 01:15:08,280
lot of difference and one of the most

1793
01:15:13,729 --> 01:15:10,679
important developments that we have have

1794
01:15:17,149 --> 01:15:13,739
in this research about Templars in

1795
01:15:18,649 --> 01:15:17,159
America is two different Native American

1796
01:15:21,050 --> 01:15:18,659
elders

1797
01:15:24,530 --> 01:15:21,060
confirming to us that the Templars were

1798
01:15:27,290 --> 01:15:24,540
in America built the Newport Tower came

1799
01:15:31,130 --> 01:15:27,300
to Nova Scotia in 1398 those stories

1800
01:15:32,570 --> 01:15:31,140
based on their oral history are true and

1801
01:15:34,729 --> 01:15:32,580
that's a big thing that we you know we

1802
01:15:36,850 --> 01:15:34,739
didn't have that when we started and

1803
01:15:39,350 --> 01:15:36,860
then about five six seven years ago

1804
01:15:41,570 --> 01:15:39,360
Native American leaders came forth and

1805
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:41,580
confirmed that so that was big because

1806
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:44,880
obviously they were here so

1807
01:15:48,830 --> 01:15:47,040
the Native American testimony the oral

1808
01:15:50,930 --> 01:15:48,840
history is very important going back to

1809
01:15:53,870 --> 01:15:50,940
what you said earlier about

1810
01:15:55,729 --> 01:15:53,880
testimony putting people in jail

1811
01:15:57,470 --> 01:15:55,739
I agree that that should not be enough

1812
01:15:59,689 --> 01:15:57,480
there should be corroboration that

1813
01:16:03,169 --> 01:15:59,699
should be testimony should be just a

1814
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:03,179
piece of a larger case that includes

1815
01:16:07,310 --> 01:16:05,280
other pieces of evidence because back to

1816
01:16:09,169 --> 01:16:07,320
what I said before extraordinary claims

1817
01:16:11,390 --> 01:16:09,179
require extraordinary proof putting

1818
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:11,400
someone in jail for a lifetime should

1819
01:16:15,470 --> 01:16:13,440
require extraordinary proof as well so

1820
01:16:16,910 --> 01:16:15,480
all those things you want you don't want

1821
01:16:19,250 --> 01:16:16,920
to make mistakes about stuff like that

1822
01:16:21,229 --> 01:16:19,260
with someone's Liberty someone's

1823
01:16:24,350 --> 01:16:21,239
Freedom you'd also don't want to make

1824
01:16:27,050 --> 01:16:24,360
mistakes I don't want to make mistakes

1825
01:16:30,410 --> 01:16:27,060
by I don't want to make mistakes in this

1826
01:16:33,169 --> 01:16:30,420
research because

1827
01:16:35,810 --> 01:16:33,179
it opens up the door for the other side

1828
01:16:37,010 --> 01:16:35,820
to point at us and say ah you guys were

1829
01:16:38,750 --> 01:16:37,020
wrong once how do we know you're not

1830
01:16:40,850 --> 01:16:38,760
gonna be wrong again right so we just

1831
01:16:43,310 --> 01:16:40,860
have to be careful because we don't want

1832
01:16:44,990 --> 01:16:43,320
egg on our face like that's just that's

1833
01:16:46,729 --> 01:16:45,000
not going to do us any good I'd rather

1834
01:16:48,530 --> 01:16:46,739
be methodical and take a little extra

1835
01:16:50,450 --> 01:16:48,540
time and make sure we have it right

1836
01:16:53,209 --> 01:16:50,460
before we go way out in front of our

1837
01:16:55,970 --> 01:16:53,219
blockers and get ourselves in trouble

1838
01:16:59,209 --> 01:16:55,980
well if we go back it's it's so simple

1839
01:17:00,830 --> 01:16:59,219
you know I'll just go too what about

1840
01:17:06,290 --> 01:17:00,840
Copernicus

1841
01:17:09,169 --> 01:17:06,300
right what about Galileo and if if if we

1842
01:17:11,750 --> 01:17:09,179
look at astronomy and science before

1843
01:17:14,890 --> 01:17:11,760
those guys and that everything was

1844
01:17:17,149 --> 01:17:14,900
correct right

1845
01:17:21,229 --> 01:17:17,159
the Earth was at the center of the

1846
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:21,239
universe right the sun revolves around

1847
01:17:26,750 --> 01:17:24,480
planet Earth and that is that where you

1848
01:17:29,930 --> 01:17:26,760
want to be today as far as science goes

1849
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:29,940
right that's that's not the way to look

1850
01:17:36,229 --> 01:17:32,880
at things and we have to completely keep

1851
01:17:38,270 --> 01:17:36,239
an open mind with all of this because

1852
01:17:40,729 --> 01:17:38,280
um back to your point about Scott Walter

1853
01:17:43,729 --> 01:17:40,739
and your work too as well and Tim Hogan

1854
01:17:46,970 --> 01:17:43,739
and others the mounts of evidence

1855
01:17:49,370 --> 01:17:46,980
stacking up on top of each other it's a

1856
01:17:52,070 --> 01:17:49,380
mountain of stuff here it's not just one

1857
01:17:53,810 --> 01:17:52,080
little piece of of something it's a

1858
01:17:55,310 --> 01:17:53,820
whole lot of stuff

1859
01:17:58,370 --> 01:17:55,320
yeah and that's exciting because again

1860
01:18:02,149 --> 01:17:58,380
when when I I met Scott in 2007 so it's

1861
01:18:03,890 --> 01:18:02,159
been 16 years and again when we you know

1862
01:18:06,229 --> 01:18:03,900
he had just basically started and I was

1863
01:18:07,850 --> 01:18:06,239
definitely just starting and at that

1864
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:07,860
time what we were doing was really

1865
01:18:10,610 --> 01:18:09,360
considered pretty Cutting Edge because

1866
01:18:12,470 --> 01:18:10,620
there weren't a lot of people out there

1867
01:18:14,570 --> 01:18:12,480
talking about

1868
01:18:16,430 --> 01:18:14,580
groups of Europeans here before Columbus

1869
01:18:19,250 --> 01:18:16,440
it just wasn't

1870
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:19,260
out there and we we got a lot of people

1871
01:18:24,530 --> 01:18:23,040
looking at us funny now when I go on a

1872
01:18:26,030 --> 01:18:24,540
show like this I'm guessing a lot of

1873
01:18:28,550 --> 01:18:26,040
your listeners have heard this already

1874
01:18:30,830 --> 01:18:28,560
before and they probably nod along with

1875
01:18:33,649 --> 01:18:30,840
it and say yeah that makes sense so we

1876
01:18:36,110 --> 01:18:33,659
are definitely making progress

1877
01:18:37,970 --> 01:18:36,120
um when you just talked about Copernicus

1878
01:18:40,010 --> 01:18:37,980
it reminded me I owed you an explanation

1879
01:18:42,169 --> 01:18:40,020
for barcopca from before the break and I

1880
01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:42,179
did look it up so let me just let me get

1881
01:18:47,050 --> 01:18:44,159
I'm gonna I'm gonna read that last so so

1882
01:18:52,490 --> 01:18:47,060
the park Hopkins Stone inscription

1883
01:18:55,550 --> 01:18:52,500
translates to a comet for the Jews okay

1884
01:18:58,189 --> 01:18:55,560
that was the same Battle Cry that the

1885
01:19:01,070 --> 01:18:58,199
Jews used during the barcopca Revolt it

1886
01:19:03,649 --> 01:19:01,080
was a nod to the leader Simon barkhopka

1887
01:19:07,250 --> 01:19:03,659
whose name translates to son of the star

1888
01:19:09,350 --> 01:19:07,260
or a comet so that whole

1889
01:19:12,410 --> 01:19:09,360
Back Creek Stone description actually

1890
01:19:14,750 --> 01:19:12,420
ties very neatly back to the bar hopka

1891
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:14,760
Uprising and under my theory one of the

1892
01:19:19,189 --> 01:19:17,040
possibilities is that the remnants of

1893
01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:19,199
refugees of that Uprising made their way

1894
01:19:23,149 --> 01:19:21,360
over here and they potentially could

1895
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:23,159
have carved that so that's a really

1896
01:19:28,910 --> 01:19:27,360
tight tie that carving that slogan and

1897
01:19:30,950 --> 01:19:28,920
the same slogan was used during the

1898
01:19:33,709 --> 01:19:30,960
uprising in Jerusalem

1899
01:19:37,070 --> 01:19:33,719
um you know remind me I'll tell you why

1900
01:19:38,330 --> 01:19:37,080
the back cream the Back Creek stone is

1901
01:19:41,169 --> 01:19:38,340
authentic

1902
01:19:43,490 --> 01:19:41,179
it looks old

1903
01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:43,500
if you're gonna hold something you're

1904
01:19:49,250 --> 01:19:44,719
gonna you know

1905
01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:49,260
you're not gonna do that all right I I

1906
01:19:57,110 --> 01:19:52,080
think that you're going to try to over

1907
01:19:59,209 --> 01:19:57,120
you uh uh uh Perfection or artistic and

1908
01:20:02,390 --> 01:19:59,219
and and try to do something that's not

1909
01:20:06,590 --> 01:20:02,400
real where the Back Creek Stone you look

1910
01:20:11,950 --> 01:20:06,600
at that and that that just looks aged I

1911
01:20:14,270 --> 01:20:11,960
mean that that looks really old yeah

1912
01:20:16,970 --> 01:20:14,280
it's got some geological work on that

1913
01:20:19,850 --> 01:20:16,980
and and has scientifically established

1914
01:20:22,310 --> 01:20:19,860
it's old but beyond that it was the

1915
01:20:24,189 --> 01:20:22,320
Smithsonian guy who found it so we can't

1916
01:20:27,410 --> 01:20:24,199
have the Smithsonian

1917
01:20:30,590 --> 01:20:27,420
67 years late 60 or 70 years later turn

1918
01:20:32,510 --> 01:20:30,600
around saying oh that guy was dirty he

1919
01:20:34,189 --> 01:20:32,520
wasn't dirty when he worked for you like

1920
01:20:35,930 --> 01:20:34,199
you had no problem with him when he was

1921
01:20:38,209 --> 01:20:35,940
under your employment you sent him out

1922
01:20:39,649 --> 01:20:38,219
in the field to do all this research and

1923
01:20:42,169 --> 01:20:39,659
you never questioned his Integrity

1924
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:42,179
whatsoever and now 70 years later

1925
01:20:48,050 --> 01:20:45,600
because you don't like what this Stone

1926
01:20:49,910 --> 01:20:48,060
says and you now you're rushing for

1927
01:20:51,950 --> 01:20:49,920
cover now you're going to try to point

1928
01:20:53,229 --> 01:20:51,960
the finger at this guy it's just that's

1929
01:20:55,550 --> 01:20:53,239
horrible that's just that's just

1930
01:20:58,010 --> 01:20:55,560
character assassination with absolutely

1931
01:21:01,010 --> 01:20:58,020
no evidence but

1932
01:21:02,570 --> 01:21:01,020
it rings really shallow to me because if

1933
01:21:05,090 --> 01:21:02,580
the Smithsonian had problems with this

1934
01:21:07,669 --> 01:21:05,100
guy they would have fired him 75 years

1935
01:21:08,630 --> 01:21:07,679
ago not all of a sudden today when they

1936
01:21:10,790 --> 01:21:08,640
start

1937
01:21:14,210 --> 01:21:10,800
back pedaling you know

1938
01:21:15,610 --> 01:21:14,220
it just it it it's just leaks

1939
01:21:18,709 --> 01:21:15,620
[Music]

1940
01:21:21,649 --> 01:21:18,719
I want to go back to my point

1941
01:21:24,890 --> 01:21:21,659
um uh where there is so much evidence

1942
01:21:29,209 --> 01:21:24,900
now pointing to an ALT an alternate

1943
01:21:31,669 --> 01:21:29,219
history of just about everything all

1944
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:31,679
right it's not just one specific it's

1945
01:21:36,830 --> 01:21:34,080
just like everything that we have been

1946
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:36,840
taught has been wrong I don't want to

1947
01:21:41,870 --> 01:21:38,400
say lie

1948
01:21:46,010 --> 01:21:41,880
um but but that's where we are today and

1949
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:46,020
when you look at the alien ET question

1950
01:21:53,450 --> 01:21:50,400
20 30 40 years ago we didn't even know

1951
01:21:55,189 --> 01:21:53,460
about planets that existed outside of

1952
01:21:56,630 --> 01:21:55,199
our own solar system

1953
01:22:00,050 --> 01:21:56,640
today it's a different kind of party

1954
01:22:03,229 --> 01:22:00,060
right we now know that every Star has at

1955
01:22:05,689 --> 01:22:03,239
least one planet next to it it's part of

1956
01:22:09,470 --> 01:22:05,699
the Way galaxies are formed and the way

1957
01:22:11,810 --> 01:22:09,480
stars are created right we would and now

1958
01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:11,820
we can look at things completely

1959
01:22:18,350 --> 01:22:15,120
different those that are Skeptics and

1960
01:22:21,229 --> 01:22:18,360
debunkers in your world and in the UFO

1961
01:22:24,290 --> 01:22:21,239
world are looking at the the past

1962
01:22:27,530 --> 01:22:24,300
history they're not looking at where we

1963
01:22:29,810 --> 01:22:27,540
are today and that is coming up more and

1964
01:22:32,630 --> 01:22:29,820
more with not only the Templars in North

1965
01:22:35,930 --> 01:22:32,640
America but questions of Atlantis

1966
01:22:38,450 --> 01:22:35,940
questions of a pre-history and of an

1967
01:22:40,310 --> 01:22:38,460
advanced civilization that predated the

1968
01:22:43,250 --> 01:22:40,320
Sumerians and the Egyptians and that's

1969
01:22:44,990 --> 01:22:43,260
where we are it's building up just like

1970
01:22:47,090 --> 01:22:45,000
the rest of science

1971
01:22:48,649 --> 01:22:47,100
Yeah you mentioned Atlantis a couple

1972
01:22:50,630 --> 01:22:48,659
times today so I'll take the bait on

1973
01:22:53,630 --> 01:22:50,640
that because I did one of the novels I

1974
01:22:55,729 --> 01:22:53,640
wrote was called Echoes of Atlantis and

1975
01:22:56,930 --> 01:22:55,739
it's mostly I write about the Templars

1976
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:56,940
but once in a while I go off on a little

1977
01:23:03,110 --> 01:22:59,520
tangent there's there's 16 novels in

1978
01:23:04,610 --> 01:23:03,120
this series so I you know I I sometimes

1979
01:23:06,770 --> 01:23:04,620
go off in different directions but

1980
01:23:10,370 --> 01:23:06,780
behold Atlanta's saying I never ever

1981
01:23:12,770 --> 01:23:10,380
thought I would do enough research to ha

1982
01:23:13,970 --> 01:23:12,780
to have enough for a book I just didn't

1983
01:23:16,250 --> 01:23:13,980
think there was enough evidence because

1984
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:16,260
it's been so many thousands of years

1985
01:23:21,470 --> 01:23:18,960
it's you know 12 000 years ago was one

1986
01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:21,480
we think Atlantis sunk to the according

1987
01:23:25,790 --> 01:23:23,520
to Plato sunk to the bottom of the of

1988
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:25,800
the oceans but there's actually a lot of

1989
01:23:29,870 --> 01:23:27,600
scientific evidence still to this day

1990
01:23:31,550 --> 01:23:29,880
and I was blown away by that because you

1991
01:23:33,649 --> 01:23:31,560
don't read about it so much you hear you

1992
01:23:36,350 --> 01:23:33,659
hear about Plato and then you hear about

1993
01:23:38,030 --> 01:23:36,360
you know psychics and mediums and other

1994
01:23:40,370 --> 01:23:38,040
but you don't really see the hard

1995
01:23:43,130 --> 01:23:40,380
evidence like there's hard evidence that

1996
01:23:45,649 --> 01:23:43,140
was done by the U.S geological uh survey

1997
01:23:48,050 --> 01:23:45,659
in the 1930s established seeing

1998
01:23:51,590 --> 01:23:48,060
definitively that the that the

1999
01:23:55,689 --> 01:23:51,600
Mid-Atlantic Ridge was above the water

2000
01:23:58,669 --> 01:23:55,699
above the ocean line above you know the

2001
01:24:00,890 --> 01:23:58,679
Mid-Atlantic Ridge uh 15 000 years ago

2002
01:24:03,350 --> 01:24:00,900
was above the ocean surface there was a

2003
01:24:05,450 --> 01:24:03,360
there was a land mass in the middle of

2004
01:24:07,550 --> 01:24:05,460
the Atlantic right before the last ice

2005
01:24:09,229 --> 01:24:07,560
age ended 15 000 years ago that's where

2006
01:24:11,570 --> 01:24:09,239
Atlanta supposedly was according to

2007
01:24:13,370 --> 01:24:11,580
Plato out Beyond The Straits of

2008
01:24:16,189 --> 01:24:13,380
Gibraltar beyond the pillows of Hercules

2009
01:24:17,810 --> 01:24:16,199
on the way to the continent across the

2010
01:24:20,570 --> 01:24:17,820
great ocean that's the middle of the

2011
01:24:23,090 --> 01:24:20,580
Atlantic and the U.S Geological Survey

2012
01:24:25,970 --> 01:24:23,100
established definitively that yes that

2013
01:24:29,450 --> 01:24:25,980
they found beach sand which only happens

2014
01:24:31,850 --> 01:24:29,460
above water lines that beach sand was a

2015
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:31,860
was was on that Ridge so they've

2016
01:24:37,669 --> 01:24:34,880
established that there are fascinating

2017
01:24:41,030 --> 01:24:37,679
migratory patterns of eels freshwater

2018
01:24:42,709 --> 01:24:41,040
eels both in America and in Europe these

2019
01:24:44,090 --> 01:24:42,719
are eels that live in in freshwater

2020
01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:44,100
rivers

2021
01:24:48,530 --> 01:24:46,080
when they get old enough they come down

2022
01:24:51,649 --> 01:24:48,540
the rivers and they go into the

2023
01:24:54,290 --> 01:24:51,659
saltwater oceans and the eels in America

2024
01:24:55,790 --> 01:24:54,300
and the eels in Europe meet in the

2025
01:24:59,209 --> 01:24:55,800
middle of the Atlantic

2026
01:25:02,270 --> 01:24:59,219
as if there was at one point in their

2027
01:25:04,130 --> 01:25:02,280
past history there was some kind of land

2028
01:25:07,490 --> 01:25:04,140
mass where they meet and they spawn

2029
01:25:10,189 --> 01:25:07,500
something called uh nostophilia which is

2030
01:25:13,370 --> 01:25:10,199
the the Instinct among animals to return

2031
01:25:15,770 --> 01:25:13,380
to an ancient Homeland but somehow these

2032
01:25:18,229 --> 01:25:15,780
freshwater Animals still go back to the

2033
01:25:20,450 --> 01:25:18,239
salt water and meet in the middle of the

2034
01:25:23,330 --> 01:25:20,460
Atlantic again as if at one point that

2035
01:25:26,510 --> 01:25:23,340
land had was above the ocean they lived

2036
01:25:29,390 --> 01:25:26,520
there it sank they spread out with no

2037
01:25:32,090 --> 01:25:29,400
stefilia still 12 000 years later they

2038
01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:32,100
still go back butterflies on the

2039
01:25:35,990 --> 01:25:34,800
northern coast of Venezuela and South

2040
01:25:39,830 --> 01:25:36,000
America

2041
01:25:42,110 --> 01:25:39,840
copsophilia butterflies they fly out

2042
01:25:43,310 --> 01:25:42,120
to the Atlantic and they fly and they

2043
01:25:45,709 --> 01:25:43,320
fly and they fly for hundreds of miles

2044
01:25:47,810 --> 01:25:45,719
and they start circling around as if

2045
01:25:50,030 --> 01:25:47,820
looking for a land mass they're ancient

2046
01:25:52,669 --> 01:25:50,040
Homeland eventually out of exhaustion

2047
01:25:56,090 --> 01:25:52,679
they die they sink into the ocean that

2048
01:25:57,770 --> 01:25:56,100
nostophilia that that urge to return to

2049
01:26:00,410 --> 01:25:57,780
their Homeland is even stronger than

2050
01:26:02,270 --> 01:26:00,420
their survival Instinct but something in

2051
01:26:04,189 --> 01:26:02,280
their DNA and printed in their DNA and

2052
01:26:07,129 --> 01:26:04,199
their instincts tells them to go back

2053
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:07,139
out there to the ancient land mass so

2054
01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:09,600
there's a lot of science that supports

2055
01:26:14,450 --> 01:26:12,960
this idea of a land mass in the middle

2056
01:26:16,370 --> 01:26:14,460
of the Atlantic and then we start

2057
01:26:19,010 --> 01:26:16,380
looking at burial practices something

2058
01:26:22,010 --> 01:26:19,020
called the red paint people red paint

2059
01:26:23,570 --> 01:26:22,020
burial practices most famously in

2060
01:26:25,970 --> 01:26:23,580
Maritime Canada

2061
01:26:27,770 --> 01:26:25,980
going back eight nine ten thousand years

2062
01:26:31,129 --> 01:26:27,780
ago remember Atlantis would have been

2063
01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:31,139
about 11 500 to 12 000 years ago when

2064
01:26:35,450 --> 01:26:32,639
the some kind of catastrophic

2065
01:26:38,390 --> 01:26:35,460
cataclysmic event occurred that sank the

2066
01:26:40,490 --> 01:26:38,400
the land mass almost that old we have

2067
01:26:43,430 --> 01:26:40,500
these groups of people in Maritime

2068
01:26:46,070 --> 01:26:43,440
Canada that bury their dead and they

2069
01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:46,080
paint the bones with a red ocher the

2070
01:26:51,530 --> 01:26:48,480
belief being that on the other side when

2071
01:26:52,610 --> 01:26:51,540
they reincarnate they need the red to

2072
01:26:55,490 --> 01:26:52,620
make blood

2073
01:26:57,950 --> 01:26:55,500
that's a that's a particular it's a

2074
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:57,960
unique belief and yet we find that same

2075
01:27:02,090 --> 01:27:00,480
belief all the way across to the

2076
01:27:06,050 --> 01:27:02,100
orchiding islands on the northern part

2077
01:27:08,930 --> 01:27:06,060
of Scotland we find that in the uh near

2078
01:27:12,709 --> 01:27:08,940
the Pyrenees Mountains in uh The Basque

2079
01:27:14,930 --> 01:27:12,719
people in uh uh Northern Spain and

2080
01:27:16,790 --> 01:27:14,940
Portugal we find it down in Central

2081
01:27:19,790 --> 01:27:16,800
America in the Yucatan Peninsula area

2082
01:27:22,430 --> 01:27:19,800
it's like a ring around the Atlantic we

2083
01:27:25,149 --> 01:27:22,440
find the same burial practice the idea

2084
01:27:28,430 --> 01:27:25,159
being at some point this was centrally

2085
01:27:32,030 --> 01:27:28,440
developed and then it spread across the

2086
01:27:34,970 --> 01:27:32,040
Atlantic probably from my theory is a

2087
01:27:37,850 --> 01:27:34,980
central point Atlantis and and these

2088
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:37,860
people all either they all invented it

2089
01:27:41,930 --> 01:27:39,360
independently five or six different

2090
01:27:44,990 --> 01:27:41,940
places or it was

2091
01:27:47,330 --> 01:27:45,000
originally created in a single spot and

2092
01:27:49,310 --> 01:27:47,340
spread organically that's the theory

2093
01:27:51,709 --> 01:27:49,320
that I think makes more sense but we see

2094
01:27:54,470 --> 01:27:51,719
lots of this these I call it echoes

2095
01:27:56,870 --> 01:27:54,480
Echoes of evidence of things that

2096
01:28:01,090 --> 01:27:56,880
indicate some kind of

2097
01:28:05,030 --> 01:28:01,100
uh Central civilization and we see

2098
01:28:05,870 --> 01:28:05,040
incredible technology going back 30 or

2099
01:28:09,530 --> 01:28:05,880
35

2100
01:28:11,510 --> 01:28:09,540
000 years uh again back to the Pyrenees

2101
01:28:13,070 --> 01:28:11,520
Mountains area some of this a fabulous

2102
01:28:15,370 --> 01:28:13,080
cave art you probably have seen this

2103
01:28:21,110 --> 01:28:15,380
Jimmy some of this Kmart they have

2104
01:28:23,870 --> 01:28:21,120
amazing uh paintings of animals showing

2105
01:28:25,910 --> 01:28:23,880
uh three dimensions showing movements

2106
01:28:28,189 --> 01:28:25,920
showing depth some of these paintings

2107
01:28:31,370 --> 01:28:28,199
were done by blowing paint through a

2108
01:28:34,129 --> 01:28:31,380
straw these are people 35 000 years ago

2109
01:28:35,629 --> 01:28:34,139
these are people who are supposed to be

2110
01:28:37,090 --> 01:28:35,639
you know

2111
01:28:41,510 --> 01:28:37,100
the the

2112
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:41,520
barely able to make no no fire no wheels

2113
01:28:46,250 --> 01:28:43,440
uh how could they have created this

2114
01:28:48,290 --> 01:28:46,260
amazing art uh in in Czechoslovakia

2115
01:28:51,169 --> 01:28:48,300
something called the Venus of doli this

2116
01:28:52,729 --> 01:28:51,179
this mother earth figure that was not

2117
01:28:55,189 --> 01:28:52,739
only made out of clay but somehow was

2118
01:28:57,410 --> 01:28:55,199
fired in a kiln the film was not

2119
01:28:59,209 --> 01:28:57,420
supposed to be invented till about 7 000

2120
01:29:01,510 --> 01:28:59,219
years ago in China but we have these

2121
01:29:05,629 --> 01:29:01,520
pockets of this Advanced civilizations

2122
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:05,639
scattered around the Atlantic Rim as if

2123
01:29:10,370 --> 01:29:07,679
something happened

2124
01:29:11,990 --> 01:29:10,380
12 to 15 000 years ago and all that was

2125
01:29:14,510 --> 01:29:12,000
wiped out but there's still little

2126
01:29:17,149 --> 01:29:14,520
pieces of evidence that survive

2127
01:29:18,830 --> 01:29:17,159
and we're starting to find them

2128
01:29:21,229 --> 01:29:18,840
um there has to be an explanation for

2129
01:29:22,910 --> 01:29:21,239
this it just doesn't happen randomly

2130
01:29:27,709 --> 01:29:22,920
there has to be some kind of reason for

2131
01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:27,719
these advances uh to have 35 000 years

2132
01:29:31,490 --> 01:29:29,760
ago how did that happen

2133
01:29:34,189 --> 01:29:31,500
you know people have been sent to prison

2134
01:29:36,649 --> 01:29:34,199
for an osteophilia and sworn testimony I

2135
01:29:38,570 --> 01:29:36,659
just wanted to uh

2136
01:29:41,149 --> 01:29:38,580
throw that in there you know in the last

2137
01:29:43,669 --> 01:29:41,159
call caves in more in in Verner heard

2138
01:29:46,669 --> 01:29:43,679
songs uh documentary which is incredible

2139
01:29:49,810 --> 01:29:46,679
by the way and and the way that he

2140
01:29:52,669 --> 01:29:49,820
captures the movement of of that but

2141
01:29:55,030 --> 01:29:52,679
here's the crazy part about that the

2142
01:30:00,410 --> 01:29:55,040
cave and the artwork there it was

2143
01:30:05,810 --> 01:30:00,420
continuously occupied for 5 000 years

2144
01:30:07,610 --> 01:30:05,820
yeah that's that's I mean it's just

2145
01:30:10,090 --> 01:30:07,620
do on that

2146
01:30:12,229 --> 01:30:10,100
Thousand Years man yeah

2147
01:30:13,790 --> 01:30:12,239
my wife said you know if you had one

2148
01:30:15,290 --> 01:30:13,800
place you could still get to go your

2149
01:30:17,870 --> 01:30:15,300
bucket list I'm like right away I want

2150
01:30:20,450 --> 01:30:17,880
to see the cave art the Pyrenees I to me

2151
01:30:23,689 --> 01:30:20,460
that just seems amazing a lot of people

2152
01:30:25,550 --> 01:30:23,699
in there because the oxygen is yeah they

2153
01:30:29,750 --> 01:30:25,560
keep it sealed they can't absolutely

2154
01:30:31,189 --> 01:30:29,760
keep it sealed and uh they only open up

2155
01:30:33,530 --> 01:30:31,199
that door

2156
01:30:35,990 --> 01:30:33,540
I mean it's like for minutes a year

2157
01:30:38,390 --> 01:30:36,000
right that's it I think keep it they

2158
01:30:40,430 --> 01:30:38,400
keep it like uh completely sealed uh for

2159
01:30:43,250 --> 01:30:40,440
sure it's amazing so so

2160
01:30:44,510 --> 01:30:43,260
in my mind like we still have some

2161
01:30:47,390 --> 01:30:44,520
people say how could they have an

2162
01:30:49,610 --> 01:30:47,400
advanced civilization 20 or 30 000 years

2163
01:30:50,810 --> 01:30:49,620
ago and again when we say Advanced I'm

2164
01:30:53,510 --> 01:30:50,820
not talking about

2165
01:30:56,149 --> 01:30:53,520
you know today's level of Technology but

2166
01:30:58,030 --> 01:30:56,159
maybe the Roman level maybe the Roman

2167
01:31:01,070 --> 01:30:58,040
Empire level of technology

2168
01:31:04,370 --> 01:31:01,080
that could have occurred 15 or 20 000

2169
01:31:06,530 --> 01:31:04,380
years ago in Atlantis but today we still

2170
01:31:09,770 --> 01:31:06,540
have pockets of people

2171
01:31:12,229 --> 01:31:09,780
who are who are uh

2172
01:31:14,390 --> 01:31:12,239
basically hunters and gatherers cave

2173
01:31:16,790 --> 01:31:14,400
people there's an island off the coast

2174
01:31:19,729 --> 01:31:16,800
of India where up until about 10 years

2175
01:31:21,649 --> 01:31:19,739
ago the people were so primitive they

2176
01:31:24,530 --> 01:31:21,659
didn't understand the difference with

2177
01:31:26,390 --> 01:31:24,540
the the causal relationship between sex

2178
01:31:28,669 --> 01:31:26,400
and procreation

2179
01:31:31,370 --> 01:31:28,679
human beings up till 10 years ago only

2180
01:31:32,750 --> 01:31:31,380
just learned this so if we have that

2181
01:31:36,169 --> 01:31:32,760
today

2182
01:31:38,810 --> 01:31:36,179
why couldn't we have 15 000 years ago

2183
01:31:41,990 --> 01:31:38,820
another pocket but instead of being

2184
01:31:45,290 --> 01:31:42,000
primitive have it be Advanced both ends

2185
01:31:47,390 --> 01:31:45,300
of the bell curve one extreme today one

2186
01:31:49,490 --> 01:31:47,400
extreme back then

2187
01:31:52,370 --> 01:31:49,500
um it's similar to the Giants argument

2188
01:31:54,470 --> 01:31:52,380
we have we have tribes of pygmies three

2189
01:31:56,570 --> 01:31:54,480
or three and a half feet tall why can't

2190
01:31:58,610 --> 01:31:56,580
we also have tribes of giants eight and

2191
01:32:01,250 --> 01:31:58,620
a half or nine feet tall at the very end

2192
01:32:02,390 --> 01:32:01,260
of the bell curve uh same thing with the

2193
01:32:04,550 --> 01:32:02,400
with the

2194
01:32:09,590 --> 01:32:04,560
primitive and the advanced

2195
01:32:11,990 --> 01:32:09,600
Robert shock uh said to me uh once and

2196
01:32:16,310 --> 01:32:12,000
I've I've just never forgotten this he

2197
01:32:20,570 --> 01:32:16,320
said there used to be in Academia

2198
01:32:23,450 --> 01:32:20,580
uh you could never say the a word aliens

2199
01:32:28,010 --> 01:32:23,460
couldn't do it you couldn't do it now

2200
01:32:31,370 --> 01:32:28,020
now in Academia you can he said but the

2201
01:32:34,910 --> 01:32:31,380
other a word Atlantis it's still out

2202
01:32:37,610 --> 01:32:34,920
right he said you just can't do it you

2203
01:32:41,030 --> 01:32:37,620
can't use the other the other a word

2204
01:32:44,149 --> 01:32:41,040
I had a guy tell me once that uh the

2205
01:32:45,950 --> 01:32:44,159
Templars are like pornography everyone

2206
01:32:47,270 --> 01:32:45,960
pays attention to it but no one can

2207
01:32:48,470 --> 01:32:47,280
admit to it

2208
01:32:52,189 --> 01:32:48,480
uh

2209
01:32:55,149 --> 01:32:52,199
I could academics have Templar porn

2210
01:32:59,090 --> 01:32:57,110
everyone's fascinated by it but no one

2211
01:33:00,950 --> 01:32:59,100
admits to it right and that's just the

2212
01:33:03,229 --> 01:33:00,960
same way so the I don't understand what

2213
01:33:04,669 --> 01:33:03,239
what the problem with the idea that

2214
01:33:06,770 --> 01:33:04,679
there was an advanced civilization okay

2215
01:33:08,510 --> 01:33:06,780
we're not talking like nuclear power I'm

2216
01:33:09,950 --> 01:33:08,520
not saying that they but they were

2217
01:33:12,110 --> 01:33:09,960
Advanced for their time they were way

2218
01:33:14,110 --> 01:33:12,120
ahead of everybody else

2219
01:33:16,189 --> 01:33:14,120
um probably because

2220
01:33:17,689 --> 01:33:16,199
where they were situated in the

2221
01:33:19,250 --> 01:33:17,699
Mid-Atlantic if you look at the Gulf

2222
01:33:20,750 --> 01:33:19,260
Stream they were they were more

2223
01:33:22,729 --> 01:33:20,760
temperate climate this is during the Ice

2224
01:33:24,830 --> 01:33:22,739
Age they probably were one of the few

2225
01:33:27,410 --> 01:33:24,840
places on Earth that was a pleasant

2226
01:33:30,590 --> 01:33:27,420
climate and that allows for luxury Time

2227
01:33:33,770 --> 01:33:30,600
free time and that allows for invention

2228
01:33:36,649 --> 01:33:33,780
and thought and that gives you economic

2229
01:33:39,470 --> 01:33:36,659
advantage and when you have free time

2230
01:33:41,530 --> 01:33:39,480
you can have education and other things

2231
01:33:44,810 --> 01:33:41,540
and those all those things lead to

2232
01:33:48,110 --> 01:33:44,820
Evolution and advancements

2233
01:33:50,770 --> 01:33:48,120
um why why should that not have happened

2234
01:33:53,330 --> 01:33:50,780
periodically In Waves over our history

2235
01:33:56,390 --> 01:33:53,340
why is it that only today are we the

2236
01:33:59,629 --> 01:33:56,400
only ones who could ever be Advanced and

2237
01:34:02,390 --> 01:33:59,639
and I I think it's too easy it's a

2238
01:34:05,149 --> 01:34:02,400
luxury to just go ah Plato's the only

2239
01:34:07,850 --> 01:34:05,159
source for this well that's a that's BS

2240
01:34:10,490 --> 01:34:07,860
number one two Plato got it from Egypt

2241
01:34:13,550 --> 01:34:10,500
that's that's we've got the date exactly

2242
01:34:16,430 --> 01:34:13,560
right that's right and and what what did

2243
01:34:18,110 --> 01:34:16,440
anybody okay well hold on let me let's

2244
01:34:21,050 --> 01:34:18,120
Circle back to that

2245
01:34:24,830 --> 01:34:21,060
in the Builder's text in Egypt pinedfu

2246
01:34:28,430 --> 01:34:24,840
the Builder's tax which is a 10 000 year

2247
01:34:31,729 --> 01:34:28,440
written history of Egypt the origin the

2248
01:34:36,110 --> 01:34:31,739
progenator at the beginning of that text

2249
01:34:39,590 --> 01:34:36,120
is a civilization that fell into the sea

2250
01:34:43,790 --> 01:34:39,600
and the survivors came to Egypt

2251
01:34:46,790 --> 01:34:43,800
and that that that goes Way Beyond what

2252
01:34:49,669 --> 01:34:46,800
Plato this is carved onto a wall right

2253
01:34:52,310 --> 01:34:49,679
there our papyri that

2254
01:34:56,149 --> 01:34:52,320
um uh referenced this it's not just

2255
01:34:58,430 --> 01:34:56,159
Plato hearing it from it you know uh

2256
01:35:01,970 --> 01:34:58,440
Egyptian priest

2257
01:35:05,990 --> 01:35:01,980
um this this text has its Origins

2258
01:35:08,209 --> 01:35:06,000
yeah right and the date the the date

2259
01:35:09,350 --> 01:35:08,219
that Plato uses and I think the date on

2260
01:35:11,149 --> 01:35:09,360
the Papyrus that you're talking about

2261
01:35:15,050 --> 01:35:11,159
they're very specific and they they

2262
01:35:18,169 --> 01:35:15,060
coincide exactly with two things one

2263
01:35:20,689 --> 01:35:18,179
with this cataclysmic event that caused

2264
01:35:24,410 --> 01:35:20,699
the temperatures to rise back on Earth

2265
01:35:28,310 --> 01:35:24,420
so whatever it was that sank Atlantis

2266
01:35:31,750 --> 01:35:28,320
also caused the ice age to end and two

2267
01:35:35,510 --> 01:35:31,760
they coincide exactly with the earliest

2268
01:35:38,330 --> 01:35:35,520
artifacts at Gobekli Tepe in Turkey as

2269
01:35:41,870 --> 01:35:38,340
if the people who build Gobekli Tepe

2270
01:35:44,090 --> 01:35:41,880
were basically saying we need to

2271
01:35:45,649 --> 01:35:44,100
appease our Gods because look what they

2272
01:35:47,510 --> 01:35:45,659
did to us we must have pissed them off

2273
01:35:50,030 --> 01:35:47,520
with something we're going to build this

2274
01:35:51,890 --> 01:35:50,040
Monument to them and say we're sorry so

2275
01:35:54,590 --> 01:35:51,900
they don't do it to us again when we see

2276
01:35:57,590 --> 01:35:54,600
it go back like Tepe is each successive

2277
01:35:59,629 --> 01:35:57,600
ring is another generation carving these

2278
01:36:02,629 --> 01:35:59,639
things and every generation the

2279
01:36:05,810 --> 01:36:02,639
technology the skill instead of getting

2280
01:36:09,530 --> 01:36:05,820
better instead of evolving it devolved

2281
01:36:11,750 --> 01:36:09,540
as if these people had skills at one

2282
01:36:15,050 --> 01:36:11,760
point but they couldn't keep them going

2283
01:36:17,629 --> 01:36:15,060
after the cataclysmic event occurred

2284
01:36:20,330 --> 01:36:17,639
they didn't have the infrastructure they

2285
01:36:23,149 --> 01:36:20,340
didn't have the ability to teach they

2286
01:36:25,790 --> 01:36:23,159
didn't have the luxury of free time to

2287
01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:25,800
to keep the skills that were needed to

2288
01:36:31,790 --> 01:36:28,800
carve these elaborate megaliths and so

2289
01:36:34,669 --> 01:36:31,800
every successive generation the

2290
01:36:35,990 --> 01:36:34,679
workmanship gets worse and worse and

2291
01:36:38,629 --> 01:36:36,000
that's opposite than what you'd expect

2292
01:36:41,090 --> 01:36:38,639
but it's exactly what you'd expect if we

2293
01:36:42,470 --> 01:36:41,100
had an advanced civilization that was

2294
01:36:44,629 --> 01:36:42,480
dying out

2295
01:36:46,729 --> 01:36:44,639
generation after generation because of

2296
01:36:57,410 --> 01:36:46,739
some event no we've got the same

2297
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:00,830
um but but if we if we back this up that

2298
01:37:09,590 --> 01:37:05,520
number keeps surfacing 10 500 BC 10 000

2299
01:37:12,350 --> 01:37:09,600
and it's it's not just

2300
01:37:16,129 --> 01:37:12,360
um one reference to a specific thing

2301
01:37:19,490 --> 01:37:16,139
it's cataclysms it's uh the geological

2302
01:37:22,189 --> 01:37:19,500
record uh it's astronomy

2303
01:37:25,370 --> 01:37:22,199
um it's shells and fragment and

2304
01:37:27,770 --> 01:37:25,380
sedimentary stuff as well as the oral

2305
01:37:29,570 --> 01:37:27,780
histories and their traditions and the

2306
01:37:32,810 --> 01:37:29,580
other references that go back into

2307
01:37:35,149 --> 01:37:32,820
historical text and then go back Lee

2308
01:37:38,890 --> 01:37:35,159
Tepe just pops up out of nowhere where

2309
01:37:42,410 --> 01:37:38,900
we've got carbon dating right right

2310
01:37:45,290 --> 01:37:42,420
where it goes right back to that same

2311
01:37:47,090 --> 01:37:45,300
number uh it keeps repeating itself over

2312
01:37:49,910 --> 01:37:47,100
and over again ten thousand five hundred

2313
01:37:51,290 --> 01:37:49,920
BC critical time in history yeah and

2314
01:37:52,750 --> 01:37:51,300
that's what I was saying earlier that if

2315
01:37:55,370 --> 01:37:52,760
you're on the right track

2316
01:37:57,470 --> 01:37:55,380
and the evidence that you have if you're

2317
01:38:00,110 --> 01:37:57,480
right about it then when new evidence

2318
01:38:02,530 --> 01:38:00,120
comes in the door it should corroborate

2319
01:38:05,209 --> 01:38:02,540
what you already think if it doesn't

2320
01:38:07,790 --> 01:38:05,219
then then you're then you were wrong and

2321
01:38:10,430 --> 01:38:07,800
you got to rethink your your theory

2322
01:38:12,410 --> 01:38:10,440
um in this particular case that date

2323
01:38:14,470 --> 01:38:12,420
keeps calling over and over and over

2324
01:38:17,030 --> 01:38:14,480
again and I think it confirms

2325
01:38:19,490 --> 01:38:17,040
the previous Theory you know it could

2326
01:38:20,930 --> 01:38:19,500
get corroboration uh we find that same

2327
01:38:23,209 --> 01:38:20,940
thing with the Templar research we've

2328
01:38:25,850 --> 01:38:23,219
been doing that that new evidence comes

2329
01:38:28,850 --> 01:38:25,860
in the door and thankfully it fits the

2330
01:38:30,410 --> 01:38:28,860
existing case Theory otherwise we have

2331
01:38:31,910 --> 01:38:30,420
to start over again you know you can't

2332
01:38:33,350 --> 01:38:31,920
just ignore the evidence you gotta you

2333
01:38:34,430 --> 01:38:33,360
got to take every piece of evidence you

2334
01:38:36,770 --> 01:38:34,440
can't throw away the stuff you don't

2335
01:38:38,330 --> 01:38:36,780
like by the way apparently that's

2336
01:38:41,450 --> 01:38:38,340
acceptable in the archaeological

2337
01:38:44,290 --> 01:38:41,460
community that if if if a piece of

2338
01:38:47,209 --> 01:38:44,300
evidence at a dig doesn't fit the

2339
01:38:49,070 --> 01:38:47,219
prevailing belief in the timeline it's

2340
01:38:51,169 --> 01:38:49,080
acceptable to toss that aside and call

2341
01:38:53,090 --> 01:38:51,179
it an outlier and just say we're not

2342
01:38:55,310 --> 01:38:53,100
going to use that piece of evidence I

2343
01:38:56,629 --> 01:38:55,320
would love that as a lawyer your honor I

2344
01:38:58,430 --> 01:38:56,639
just think we should ignore those

2345
01:39:01,310 --> 01:38:58,440
fingerprints because they don't fit the

2346
01:39:04,129 --> 01:39:01,320
my case Theory and he would say he would

2347
01:39:05,290 --> 01:39:04,139
say yes you know that's crazy but

2348
01:39:08,270 --> 01:39:05,300
um

2349
01:39:09,950 --> 01:39:08,280
it goes back to evidence

2350
01:39:13,610 --> 01:39:09,960
um

2351
01:39:15,890 --> 01:39:13,620
when it comes to uh the researchers out

2352
01:39:17,270 --> 01:39:15,900
there like yourself Scott Tim Hogan

2353
01:39:21,229 --> 01:39:17,280
others

2354
01:39:29,209 --> 01:39:25,510
I think that the General Public

2355
01:39:31,490 --> 01:39:29,219
Oak Island whatever it is right

2356
01:39:33,649 --> 01:39:31,500
um the the evidence has come there's

2357
01:39:36,050 --> 01:39:33,659
going to be a big reveal evidence is

2358
01:39:38,030 --> 01:39:36,060
coming there's this there's there's ten

2359
01:39:40,370 --> 01:39:38,040
arcs of the Covenant Tim right and

2360
01:39:42,950 --> 01:39:40,380
there's this the head of John the

2361
01:39:45,890 --> 01:39:42,960
Baptist whatever right there's all of

2362
01:39:48,649 --> 01:39:45,900
this it it's going to reveal itself it's

2363
01:39:51,610 --> 01:39:48,659
going to reveal itself well it's gonna

2364
01:39:56,209 --> 01:39:51,620
come to a point of put up or shut up

2365
01:39:58,669 --> 01:39:56,219
I 100 agree yes I I listen with you know

2366
01:40:00,830 --> 01:39:58,679
I was a blown away by Tim Hogan's

2367
01:40:02,050 --> 01:40:00,840
interview I think it was September last

2368
01:40:04,970 --> 01:40:02,060
year with you

2369
01:40:07,010 --> 01:40:04,980
for that day right when he said you know

2370
01:40:09,890 --> 01:40:07,020
we're we've got we've got the the

2371
01:40:12,709 --> 01:40:09,900
artifacts we're ready to share them and

2372
01:40:13,790 --> 01:40:12,719
like wow that bring it on you know I I

2373
01:40:16,370 --> 01:40:13,800
don't know if that's still gonna happen

2374
01:40:18,649 --> 01:40:16,380
or not but I agree if you're gonna say

2375
01:40:21,050 --> 01:40:18,659
stuff like that then you almost have no

2376
01:40:23,030 --> 01:40:21,060
choice but to put up or shut up like you

2377
01:40:25,970 --> 01:40:23,040
said that's why that's why I pushed

2378
01:40:29,570 --> 01:40:25,980
these guys first off they're my friends

2379
01:40:32,330 --> 01:40:29,580
and uh we have a mutual respect with

2380
01:40:33,770 --> 01:40:32,340
each other right okay all right but I am

2381
01:40:36,709 --> 01:40:33,780
going to push and the reason why I'm

2382
01:40:38,810 --> 01:40:36,719
going to push I'm pushing for my

2383
01:40:41,570 --> 01:40:38,820
audience I'm pushing for the world I'm

2384
01:40:46,310 --> 01:40:41,580
pushing for the community right they

2385
01:40:48,830 --> 01:40:46,320
they need this and one of the uh one of

2386
01:40:50,810 --> 01:40:48,840
the views that that I have David and I

2387
01:40:54,410 --> 01:40:50,820
think it's a very important one

2388
01:40:57,830 --> 01:40:54,420
is there are belief systems belief is

2389
01:40:59,629 --> 01:40:57,840
the wrong word to use but in this case

2390
01:41:01,729 --> 01:40:59,639
um where people have been doing research

2391
01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:01,739
or they've got their own thing and their

2392
01:41:08,090 --> 01:41:04,800
own experiences and everything else they

2393
01:41:12,169 --> 01:41:08,100
need the support of something to surface

2394
01:41:13,790 --> 01:41:12,179
right to that evidence to just go see I

2395
01:41:16,729 --> 01:41:13,800
told you I've been looking at I've been

2396
01:41:18,890 --> 01:41:16,739
thinking I've been that's the point that

2397
01:41:21,649 --> 01:41:18,900
needs to be made here

2398
01:41:23,990 --> 01:41:21,659
um whether it's a Biblical artifact or

2399
01:41:28,550 --> 01:41:24,000
it's the Kensington runestone it doesn't

2400
01:41:31,250 --> 01:41:28,560
matter right we need this stuff to just

2401
01:41:32,629 --> 01:41:31,260
to be shown to the world

2402
01:41:34,430 --> 01:41:32,639
that's a good point I didn't think about

2403
01:41:35,990 --> 01:41:34,440
that but other research other

2404
01:41:37,729 --> 01:41:36,000
researchers

2405
01:41:40,850 --> 01:41:37,739
who knows where they are or what they're

2406
01:41:42,709 --> 01:41:40,860
researching just just seeing that almost

2407
01:41:46,550 --> 01:41:42,719
as a role model to say you know what

2408
01:41:47,930 --> 01:41:46,560
they did it you know I none of us you

2409
01:41:49,790 --> 01:41:47,940
know Scott Walter didn't know anything

2410
01:41:51,950 --> 01:41:49,800
about Templars

2411
01:41:53,330 --> 01:41:51,960
20 years ago when the when the when the

2412
01:41:55,370 --> 01:41:53,340
runestone museum asked them to take a

2413
01:41:57,590 --> 01:41:55,380
look at this he didn't had no idea I

2414
01:41:58,910 --> 01:41:57,600
knew nothing about the Templars when my

2415
01:42:00,229 --> 01:41:58,920
daughter came home from school one day

2416
01:42:02,330 --> 01:42:00,239
and talked about the Western night

2417
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:02,340
Legend when she was in fourth grade like

2418
01:42:05,510 --> 01:42:04,800
none of us were trained in this stuff we

2419
01:42:07,070 --> 01:42:05,520
all

2420
01:42:09,109 --> 01:42:07,080
stumbled into it I don't know how you

2421
01:42:10,550 --> 01:42:09,119
stumbled into it Jimmy but we all just

2422
01:42:13,010 --> 01:42:10,560
stumbled into it there's no such thing

2423
01:42:14,930 --> 01:42:13,020
as a you can't major in templarism in

2424
01:42:16,729 --> 01:42:14,940
college these days right we all had to

2425
01:42:18,830 --> 01:42:16,739
sort of take a winding road to get there

2426
01:42:21,850 --> 01:42:18,840
but who knows who else is out there

2427
01:42:27,410 --> 01:42:21,860
working on a theory or has an artifact

2428
01:42:29,770 --> 01:42:27,420
or an idea uh and and and would be

2429
01:42:32,689 --> 01:42:29,780
inspired by somebody else coming forward

2430
01:42:34,669 --> 01:42:32,699
someone like Scott and say look Scott

2431
01:42:37,370 --> 01:42:34,679
Walter did it he look what he figured

2432
01:42:39,109 --> 01:42:37,380
out right I can figure it out also

2433
01:42:40,970 --> 01:42:39,119
um that does happen by the way you know

2434
01:42:43,010 --> 01:42:40,980
when I give lectures oftentimes I get

2435
01:42:44,629 --> 01:42:43,020
people say hey

2436
01:42:46,250 --> 01:42:44,639
you know I've got this artifact in the

2437
01:42:48,050 --> 01:42:46,260
Woods by my house can you come take a

2438
01:42:49,129 --> 01:42:48,060
look at it I know that happens to Squad

2439
01:42:52,129 --> 01:42:49,139
a lot as well

2440
01:42:53,890 --> 01:42:52,139
oh the hook decks I see that thing

2441
01:42:57,109 --> 01:42:53,900
everywhere now

2442
01:43:00,229 --> 01:42:57,119
it does so

2443
01:43:03,890 --> 01:43:00,239
um yeah yeah and and we we have Scott to

2444
01:43:06,530 --> 01:43:03,900
thank for that and if he didn't push

2445
01:43:09,169 --> 01:43:06,540
um Scott and I we were we were out to

2446
01:43:13,490 --> 01:43:09,179
sea right we're on this Cruise

2447
01:43:15,290 --> 01:43:13,500
and I had a balcony on my stateroom and

2448
01:43:17,270 --> 01:43:15,300
we went out there

2449
01:43:20,209 --> 01:43:17,280
um check this out Dave this is a true

2450
01:43:22,189 --> 01:43:20,219
story about nine o'clock at night we've

2451
01:43:25,490 --> 01:43:22,199
been down in the bar drinking right and

2452
01:43:31,629 --> 01:43:25,500
so we we go on on my balcony nine ten

2453
01:43:36,169 --> 01:43:31,639
o'clock at night we argued until 3 A.M

2454
01:43:39,109 --> 01:43:36,179
the Pacific Ocean right the stars and

2455
01:43:41,209 --> 01:43:39,119
and we just sat and fought two friends

2456
01:43:44,030 --> 01:43:41,219
hey you know what I'm talking about just

2457
01:43:45,350 --> 01:43:44,040
a scary discussion I've I've been on the

2458
01:43:48,649 --> 01:43:45,360
other side of that with Scott many times

2459
01:43:52,070 --> 01:43:48,659
yeah you know and it's it's that he he

2460
01:43:54,830 --> 01:43:52,080
he believes in his journey he has found

2461
01:43:57,470 --> 01:43:54,840
his Bliss you know and I don't he's not

2462
01:44:01,010 --> 01:43:57,480
going to quit man he's not and I think

2463
01:44:03,470 --> 01:44:01,020
that so many of uh you know critics of

2464
01:44:06,229 --> 01:44:03,480
not only of your work and and you know

2465
01:44:08,450 --> 01:44:06,239
the people that think outside of the box

2466
01:44:09,950 --> 01:44:08,460
um they want they want the Scott Walters

2467
01:44:12,290 --> 01:44:09,960
of the world the David brodies of the

2468
01:44:16,310 --> 01:44:12,300
world to tap out

2469
01:44:21,050 --> 01:44:18,050
I'm not in the front lines like Squad is

2470
01:44:23,030 --> 01:44:21,060
to be honest I mean you know I I

2471
01:44:26,830 --> 01:44:23,040
what I generally do is I take other

2472
01:44:30,229 --> 01:44:26,840
people's research and I and I sort of

2473
01:44:32,990 --> 01:44:30,239
uh use it as plot points in my in my

2474
01:44:34,669 --> 01:44:33,000
book so I do some original research not

2475
01:44:36,169 --> 01:44:34,679
that I don't do any but I'm not nearly

2476
01:44:38,209 --> 01:44:36,179
as much as people like Scott or Tim

2477
01:44:40,189 --> 01:44:38,219
Hogan I mean they're really on the front

2478
01:44:43,010 --> 01:44:40,199
lines I take a lot of what they find and

2479
01:44:44,030 --> 01:44:43,020
I and I use it but

2480
01:44:46,310 --> 01:44:44,040
um

2481
01:44:47,990 --> 01:44:46,320
I don't you know I don't find

2482
01:44:50,810 --> 01:44:48,000
people say You must get a lot of hate

2483
01:44:52,510 --> 01:44:50,820
mail you must get a lot of no I I really

2484
01:44:56,510 --> 01:44:52,520
don't I think for the most part people

2485
01:45:02,390 --> 01:44:56,520
are very intrigued by this idea of the

2486
01:45:05,270 --> 01:45:02,400
Templars either they are uh a lot of

2487
01:45:08,209 --> 01:45:05,280
sort of military folks uh glorify the

2488
01:45:10,550 --> 01:45:08,219
Templars in a way uh so that appeals to

2489
01:45:12,229 --> 01:45:10,560
them or this whole idea of a treasure

2490
01:45:14,149 --> 01:45:12,239
like everybody loves the idea of a

2491
01:45:17,570 --> 01:45:14,159
treasure right I mean since we were kids

2492
01:45:19,070 --> 01:45:17,580
reading you know Robinson Crusoe or

2493
01:45:21,350 --> 01:45:19,080
whatever we all love the idea of a

2494
01:45:23,570 --> 01:45:21,360
hidden treasure x marks a spot The Curse

2495
01:45:26,629 --> 01:45:23,580
of Oak Island that's why that show is so

2496
01:45:28,850 --> 01:45:26,639
popular we all even as old men

2497
01:45:31,129 --> 01:45:28,860
love the kid inside of us wanting to

2498
01:45:34,189 --> 01:45:31,139
find that treasure so

2499
01:45:36,229 --> 01:45:34,199
I don't get a lot of people you

2500
01:45:40,250 --> 01:45:36,239
mentioned earlier there's a few of the

2501
01:45:41,750 --> 01:45:40,260
of the debunkers and the naysayers but I

2502
01:45:45,470 --> 01:45:41,760
think for the most part people would

2503
01:45:48,590 --> 01:45:45,480
love to have us be right they would love

2504
01:45:51,410 --> 01:45:48,600
to have Tim Hogan go public with the the

2505
01:45:54,470 --> 01:45:51,420
Templar Vault and and show us the Ark of

2506
01:45:56,990 --> 01:45:54,480
the Covenant and the air Moses's staff

2507
01:45:58,490 --> 01:45:57,000
and Manna From Heaven and I don't think

2508
01:46:00,109 --> 01:45:58,500
people would be upset by that I think

2509
01:46:03,550 --> 01:46:00,119
people would love that

2510
01:46:06,470 --> 01:46:03,560
the Holy Grail right

2511
01:46:10,070 --> 01:46:06,480
Monty Python we've all seen the movie

2512
01:46:12,970 --> 01:46:10,080
right and you know what if uh King

2513
01:46:18,169 --> 01:46:12,980
Arthur Camelot the Knights Templar

2514
01:46:23,390 --> 01:46:18,179
Jerusalem the Crusades and and spiriting

2515
01:46:24,470 --> 01:46:23,400
the saving this stuff from uh uh not

2516
01:46:26,689 --> 01:46:24,480
only

2517
01:46:27,970 --> 01:46:26,699
um those that would want to steal but

2518
01:46:31,070 --> 01:46:27,980
maybe

2519
01:46:34,189 --> 01:46:31,080
destroyed right getting that stuff out

2520
01:46:37,550 --> 01:46:34,199
of Jerusalem then you bring in the

2521
01:46:41,209 --> 01:46:37,560
sinclairs you've got Roswell the the

2522
01:46:44,629 --> 01:46:41,219
same it's the same Circle I just feel

2523
01:46:47,270 --> 01:46:44,639
that there's so much to the story that

2524
01:46:50,270 --> 01:46:47,280
it's probably pretty accurate

2525
01:46:52,850 --> 01:46:50,280
um I think it went from Scotland

2526
01:46:54,229 --> 01:46:52,860
to North America I just don't know where

2527
01:46:55,430 --> 01:46:54,239
it is today

2528
01:46:57,410 --> 01:46:55,440
yeah

2529
01:46:58,490 --> 01:46:57,420
um the Scotland part I feel pretty

2530
01:47:00,590 --> 01:46:58,500
comfortable about as a matter of fact if

2531
01:47:03,410 --> 01:47:00,600
you go to Roswell Chapel there's an

2532
01:47:06,350 --> 01:47:03,420
information placard in the chapel that

2533
01:47:09,950 --> 01:47:06,360
talks very matter-of-factly about Prince

2534
01:47:11,629 --> 01:47:09,960
Henry Sinclair going to America in 1398.

2535
01:47:13,669 --> 01:47:11,639
I know what you know when I give the

2536
01:47:17,209 --> 01:47:13,679
lectures here on this side of the

2537
01:47:19,250 --> 01:47:17,219
Atlantic I talk about Legends and I talk

2538
01:47:22,430 --> 01:47:19,260
about we think had happened

2539
01:47:24,530 --> 01:47:22,440
over there that information placard was

2540
01:47:27,770 --> 01:47:24,540
again very matter-of-fact

2541
01:47:30,229 --> 01:47:27,780
so it's weird how

2542
01:47:33,050 --> 01:47:30,239
in on the European perspective is of

2543
01:47:34,910 --> 01:47:33,060
course people cross before Columbus like

2544
01:47:36,890 --> 01:47:34,920
they're they're they would look at you

2545
01:47:38,330 --> 01:47:36,900
sort of funny like why would you think

2546
01:47:40,370 --> 01:47:38,340
that Columbus was the first one over

2547
01:47:42,830 --> 01:47:40,380
they don't believe that

2548
01:47:46,310 --> 01:47:42,840
um interesting thing about Columbus by

2549
01:47:48,950 --> 01:47:46,320
the way he um one of the fast one

2550
01:47:52,250 --> 01:47:48,960
research I did do I found a really

2551
01:47:54,410 --> 01:47:52,260
interesting uh Monument to him in Galway

2552
01:47:56,990 --> 01:47:54,420
on the western coast of Ireland that

2553
01:48:00,109 --> 01:47:57,000
talked about how he was there uh in the

2554
01:48:02,930 --> 01:48:00,119
1480s maybe 15 years before he be

2555
01:48:07,010 --> 01:48:02,940
crossed over there's also a Templar

2556
01:48:08,629 --> 01:48:07,020
church that was there as well and I done

2557
01:48:10,250 --> 01:48:08,639
a lot of research on the fact it looks

2558
01:48:12,530 --> 01:48:10,260
like Columbus

2559
01:48:14,149 --> 01:48:12,540
because he married into a family of the

2560
01:48:16,430 --> 01:48:14,159
Knights of Christ which is the

2561
01:48:19,310 --> 01:48:16,440
successors to the Templars looks like he

2562
01:48:21,410 --> 01:48:19,320
may have had Templar maps and charts

2563
01:48:23,149 --> 01:48:21,420
which allowed him to cross but that

2564
01:48:25,910 --> 01:48:23,159
would make perfect sense if he was up in

2565
01:48:27,229 --> 01:48:25,920
Galway and the Templars were also I

2566
01:48:29,030 --> 01:48:27,239
didn't know the Templars were in Western

2567
01:48:31,070 --> 01:48:29,040
Ireland by the way that made no sense to

2568
01:48:33,709 --> 01:48:31,080
me unless they're using it as a jumping

2569
01:48:37,790 --> 01:48:33,719
off point to cross the Atlantic just as

2570
01:48:39,890 --> 01:48:37,800
Tim Severin the Irish Adventurer did in

2571
01:48:42,050 --> 01:48:39,900
the 1970s sailing that leather boat

2572
01:48:44,270 --> 01:48:42,060
across but if the Templars are using

2573
01:48:46,370 --> 01:48:44,280
that as a jumping off point that would

2574
01:48:47,750 --> 01:48:46,380
make perfect sense why Columbus went all

2575
01:48:52,129 --> 01:48:47,760
the way up to Northern Ireland and

2576
01:48:55,390 --> 01:48:52,139
Western Island to himself in the 1470s

2577
01:48:58,729 --> 01:48:55,400
before he crossed to 1492. yeah yeah

2578
01:49:00,709 --> 01:48:58,739
you're right about that but I always

2579
01:49:03,530 --> 01:49:00,719
look at it

2580
01:49:06,109 --> 01:49:03,540
um more globally I think that the

2581
01:49:08,450 --> 01:49:06,119
templar's influence

2582
01:49:09,950 --> 01:49:08,460
um you know most of it's documented but

2583
01:49:12,290 --> 01:49:09,960
of course you know all the way from

2584
01:49:15,169 --> 01:49:12,300
France chance to Jerusalem but you've

2585
01:49:17,750 --> 01:49:15,179
got Portugal you've got Italy you've got

2586
01:49:20,390 --> 01:49:17,760
of of course all of Great Britain and I

2587
01:49:23,990 --> 01:49:20,400
think Ireland uh would play into that

2588
01:49:27,109 --> 01:49:24,000
too and that maybe even like Morocco you

2589
01:49:30,890 --> 01:49:27,119
know and and it is is it coincidence

2590
01:49:33,590 --> 01:49:30,900
that uh the Templar crosses are always

2591
01:49:36,410 --> 01:49:33,600
depicted on Columbus's boats and I've

2592
01:49:40,250 --> 01:49:36,420
heard different explanations for that no

2593
01:49:43,970 --> 01:49:40,260
I that is the same that Templar crosses

2594
01:49:45,709 --> 01:49:43,980
on the shields yeah so one possibility I

2595
01:49:48,109 --> 01:49:45,719
thought is that

2596
01:49:50,270 --> 01:49:48,119
if the Templars were here

2597
01:49:52,250 --> 01:49:50,280
um and and and Black Eagle who's a close

2598
01:49:53,870 --> 01:49:52,260
uh friend of mine I Wampanoag tribal

2599
01:49:55,790 --> 01:49:53,880
chief he always says look if the

2600
01:49:58,970 --> 01:49:55,800
Templars were here the only way they

2601
01:50:00,410 --> 01:49:58,980
could have come to North America uh is

2602
01:50:02,510 --> 01:50:00,420
if we let them come in and they made

2603
01:50:03,890 --> 01:50:02,520
friends with us otherwise as he said we

2604
01:50:05,570 --> 01:50:03,900
would have kick their ass and sent them

2605
01:50:08,629 --> 01:50:05,580
home because this is again this is

2606
01:50:10,609 --> 01:50:08,639
before gunpowder later on gunpowder

2607
01:50:13,310 --> 01:50:10,619
changed the whole balance of powder of

2608
01:50:15,709 --> 01:50:13,320
power but prior to gunpowder if you were

2609
01:50:16,970 --> 01:50:15,719
Europeans Coming to America you had to

2610
01:50:18,109 --> 01:50:16,980
make friends with the natives otherwise

2611
01:50:21,890 --> 01:50:18,119
they would have kick your ass to set you

2612
01:50:23,990 --> 01:50:21,900
home so his theory my theory is that the

2613
01:50:26,510 --> 01:50:24,000
Templars did come and created an

2614
01:50:29,570 --> 01:50:26,520
alliance with the tribes here in New

2615
01:50:32,330 --> 01:50:29,580
England Columbus knew about that

2616
01:50:34,070 --> 01:50:32,340
and assumed it assumed it extended all

2617
01:50:36,290 --> 01:50:34,080
the way down along the entire Seaboard

2618
01:50:37,729 --> 01:50:36,300
and figured if I want to be welcome when

2619
01:50:40,010 --> 01:50:37,739
I get there I'll paint the Templar

2620
01:50:42,050 --> 01:50:40,020
across on my on my sails I'll come

2621
01:50:43,669 --> 01:50:42,060
across and they'll welcome me because

2622
01:50:45,410 --> 01:50:43,679
they're friends with the Templars and

2623
01:50:47,750 --> 01:50:45,420
that's exactly what happened he landed

2624
01:50:49,850 --> 01:50:47,760
and was welcome they saw that cross on

2625
01:50:50,870 --> 01:50:49,860
his sails that's why I think he put the

2626
01:50:54,169 --> 01:50:50,880
cross off

2627
01:50:57,410 --> 01:50:54,179
Now isn't the uh the Knights Templar

2628
01:51:01,850 --> 01:50:57,420
Freemason connection I mean that extends

2629
01:51:03,530 --> 01:51:01,860
into Canada uh and and throughout uh the

2630
01:51:05,330 --> 01:51:03,540
Rocky Mountains all the way out to the

2631
01:51:09,770 --> 01:51:05,340
West Coast right I mean it just wasn't

2632
01:51:10,910 --> 01:51:09,780
in the New England area of North America

2633
01:51:12,470 --> 01:51:10,920
yeah

2634
01:51:15,709 --> 01:51:12,480
I'm not sure I understood the question

2635
01:51:18,709 --> 01:51:15,719
Jimmy I'm sorry I I think that there was

2636
01:51:21,290 --> 01:51:18,719
a Templar Freemason connection with all

2637
01:51:23,450 --> 01:51:21,300
of the indigenous people uh across North

2638
01:51:25,189 --> 01:51:23,460
America from Canada you're talking about

2639
01:51:29,030 --> 01:51:25,199
like a lot of Bill Mann's research and

2640
01:51:30,770 --> 01:51:29,040
stuff absolutely yes yes yeah so I'm not

2641
01:51:32,930 --> 01:51:30,780
a Freemason so I I don't have as much

2642
01:51:34,910 --> 01:51:32,940
background on that stuff but from what

2643
01:51:38,870 --> 01:51:34,920
I've read in Bill's writing this whole

2644
01:51:41,510 --> 01:51:38,880
idea of the midday well some of these um

2645
01:51:43,910 --> 01:51:41,520
there was a tribe called the yuchi tribe

2646
01:51:45,649 --> 01:51:43,920
there were supposedly the spiritual

2647
01:51:49,310 --> 01:51:45,659
leaders of all the Native American

2648
01:51:52,129 --> 01:51:49,320
tribes and according to Bill a lot of

2649
01:51:55,430 --> 01:51:52,139
their ritual is very similar to Masonic

2650
01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:55,440
ritual and so the idea is that perhaps

2651
01:52:01,750 --> 01:51:59,280
at some time in the past there were

2652
01:52:03,830 --> 01:52:01,760
Europeans who came here who had Masonic

2653
01:52:05,649 --> 01:52:03,840
connections and shared those with the

2654
01:52:07,390 --> 01:52:05,659
Native Americans again this was

2655
01:52:10,850 --> 01:52:07,400
pre-columbus

2656
01:52:13,790 --> 01:52:10,860
pre-modern records but that would be why

2657
01:52:17,030 --> 01:52:13,800
so many of the rituals in the Native

2658
01:52:19,490 --> 01:52:17,040
American spiritual world that uh that we

2659
01:52:21,229 --> 01:52:19,500
still see today by the way uh are

2660
01:52:22,790 --> 01:52:21,239
similar to what was going on in Europe

2661
01:52:26,090 --> 01:52:22,800
at the same time period again that's

2662
01:52:28,189 --> 01:52:26,100
Bill Mann's research yeah the um uh I

2663
01:52:30,169 --> 01:52:28,199
want to thank you by the way for a great

2664
01:52:33,770 --> 01:52:30,179
conversation tonight I look forward to

2665
01:52:36,649 --> 01:52:33,780
having you on uh again soon uh your

2666
01:52:39,290 --> 01:52:36,659
website is David brodybooks.com and

2667
01:52:42,850 --> 01:52:39,300
we've got the links below everybody and

2668
01:52:46,010 --> 01:52:42,860
if you want to go Dave writes a lot

2669
01:52:47,510 --> 01:52:46,020
you can realize and check out the stuff

2670
01:52:51,890 --> 01:52:47,520
but here's

2671
01:52:55,729 --> 01:52:51,900
um speaking on that when uh Dan Brown

2672
01:52:59,290 --> 01:52:55,739
and The Da Vinci Code broke loose it

2673
01:53:01,790 --> 01:52:59,300
broke loose in a big way and

2674
01:53:04,310 --> 01:53:01,800
if it's calling it a worldwide

2675
01:53:07,310 --> 01:53:04,320
phenomenon is is weak it was bigger than

2676
01:53:10,250 --> 01:53:07,320
that right it's huge but that's because

2677
01:53:12,770 --> 01:53:10,260
we're interested in this subject that's

2678
01:53:15,070 --> 01:53:12,780
why that caught fire and it was

2679
01:53:17,930 --> 01:53:15,080
everything it was Roslyn it was the

2680
01:53:20,209 --> 01:53:17,940
sinclairs it was a nice tumbler of

2681
01:53:22,850 --> 01:53:20,219
course Jesus and Mary and da Vinci and

2682
01:53:27,470 --> 01:53:22,860
everything else that goes but we want

2683
01:53:29,030 --> 01:53:27,480
this knowledge right it resonated it had

2684
01:53:32,270 --> 01:53:29,040
a had a

2685
01:53:34,609 --> 01:53:32,280
it sounded true to us like we I think we

2686
01:53:37,430 --> 01:53:34,619
all have a uh an instinct about what

2687
01:53:39,530 --> 01:53:37,440
something sounds valid

2688
01:53:42,709 --> 01:53:39,540
versus something that sounds outlandish

2689
01:53:43,609 --> 01:53:42,719
and that resonated that sounded right to

2690
01:53:45,530 --> 01:53:43,619
us

2691
01:53:47,570 --> 01:53:45,540
and that's why it was so popular that's

2692
01:53:49,129 --> 01:53:47,580
why it was such a phenomenon is we sort

2693
01:53:50,930 --> 01:53:49,139
of nodded to ourselves you know what

2694
01:53:53,410 --> 01:53:50,940
it's similar to and if we have one

2695
01:53:55,729 --> 01:53:53,420
minute yeah so Scott talks a lot about

2696
01:53:58,189 --> 01:53:55,739
he's not a big fan of The Curse of Oak

2697
01:54:00,709 --> 01:53:58,199
Island he sort of scoffs at that show

2698
01:54:03,950 --> 01:54:00,719
but but one of the things he he does I

2699
01:54:06,830 --> 01:54:03,960
think believe is that at some point the

2700
01:54:09,290 --> 01:54:06,840
Templar treasure was up in Nova Scotia

2701
01:54:12,229 --> 01:54:09,300
and that

2702
01:54:15,470 --> 01:54:12,239
right prior to the American Revolution a

2703
01:54:17,629 --> 01:54:15,480
group of Freemasons from I believe it

2704
01:54:20,530 --> 01:54:17,639
was Virginia or Pennsylvania went up to

2705
01:54:22,910 --> 01:54:20,540
Nova Scotia and retrieved that treasure

2706
01:54:25,370 --> 01:54:22,920
liquidated the treasure and used those

2707
01:54:27,590 --> 01:54:25,380
proceeds to fund the American Revolution

2708
01:54:29,990 --> 01:54:27,600
that's one of those stories when I tell

2709
01:54:33,410 --> 01:54:30,000
that story people nod that's a story

2710
01:54:35,750 --> 01:54:33,420
that sounds right like that sounds like

2711
01:54:37,010 --> 01:54:35,760
exactly what they would have done if the

2712
01:54:39,649 --> 01:54:37,020
treasure was up there they would have

2713
01:54:42,109 --> 01:54:39,659
known about it they said now we need it

2714
01:54:45,350 --> 01:54:42,119
the the leaders would have said this is

2715
01:54:48,010 --> 01:54:45,360
what we have it for we want to create

2716
01:54:51,109 --> 01:54:48,020
this New Jerusalem here in America

2717
01:54:52,790 --> 01:54:51,119
Liberty all the things we believe in

2718
01:54:56,030 --> 01:54:52,800
this is a good use for the treasure

2719
01:54:57,530 --> 01:54:56,040
liquidate it use it and create this New

2720
01:54:58,790 --> 01:54:57,540
Jerusalem

2721
01:55:00,229 --> 01:54:58,800
um that's one of those stories that

2722
01:55:01,970 --> 01:55:00,239
people call it not that when I hear it

2723
01:55:03,830 --> 01:55:01,980
when I tell it they nod

2724
01:55:05,330 --> 01:55:03,840
sounds right maybe it's right maybe it's

2725
01:55:08,030 --> 01:55:05,340
not but it sounds right

2726
01:55:09,770 --> 01:55:08,040
what are you working on now

2727
01:55:12,470 --> 01:55:09,780
so I just finished

2728
01:55:14,990 --> 01:55:12,480
um One Nation Under John about two weeks

2729
01:55:16,669 --> 01:55:15,000
ago it came out uh I'm in the period

2730
01:55:18,530 --> 01:55:16,679
right now I'll start writing on July 1st

2731
01:55:20,270 --> 01:55:18,540
I do it every year July 1st January 1st

2732
01:55:21,410 --> 01:55:20,280
and then I do two books a year I'm

2733
01:55:23,209 --> 01:55:21,420
looking for something to write about

2734
01:55:24,950 --> 01:55:23,219
afterwards maybe you'll send me an email

2735
01:55:26,810 --> 01:55:24,960
and say you should write about this so

2736
01:55:28,390 --> 01:55:26,820
I'm doing the research I've got I'm

2737
01:55:30,470 --> 01:55:28,400
looking for new things

2738
01:55:32,149 --> 01:55:30,480
ingredients together I'm like the mad

2739
01:55:34,070 --> 01:55:32,159
scientist I put them all together and

2740
01:55:36,709 --> 01:55:34,080
say okay how can I mix this all together

2741
01:55:38,030 --> 01:55:36,719
into a historical fiction novel because

2742
01:55:40,430 --> 01:55:38,040
that's the kind of thing that's what I

2743
01:55:42,770 --> 01:55:40,440
write historical fiction but I'm looking

2744
01:55:44,750 --> 01:55:42,780
for new ingredients you're the best man

2745
01:55:46,910 --> 01:55:44,760
thank you tonight what a what a perfect

2746
01:55:49,850 --> 01:55:46,920
show for me I just had a great time

2747
01:55:52,370 --> 01:55:49,860
thank you so much good luck on the next

2748
01:55:54,410 --> 01:55:52,380
book I'll send you that email I want you

2749
01:55:57,250 --> 01:55:54,420
to be safe out there thank you much

2750
01:56:01,129 --> 01:55:57,260
appreciated David Brody now it's David

2751
01:56:03,890 --> 01:56:01,139
brodybooks.com the links are below okay

2752
01:56:06,350 --> 01:56:03,900
and you can head over to our website as

2753
01:56:08,390 --> 01:56:06,360
well let's see what have I got going on

2754
01:56:09,229 --> 01:56:08,400
oh tomorrow night I got Pat Spain on the

2755
01:56:12,590 --> 01:56:09,239
show

2756
01:56:14,270 --> 01:56:12,600
tomorrow night all right now uh I think

2757
01:56:17,629 --> 01:56:14,280
I'm gonna do a live broadcast tomorrow

2758
01:56:19,970 --> 01:56:17,639
uh during the day after the news

2759
01:56:22,490 --> 01:56:19,980
and as I compile some more information

2760
01:56:25,070 --> 01:56:22,500
some stuff that's been coming in during

2761
01:56:28,070 --> 01:56:25,080
the show tonight tomorrow night on Fade

2762
01:56:30,830 --> 01:56:28,080
to Black Pat Spain I am your host Jimmy

2763
01:56:33,169 --> 01:56:30,840
Church Great show tonight David Brody

2764
01:56:35,510 --> 01:56:33,179
perfect show it's a perfect show that's

2765
01:56:38,810 --> 01:56:35,520
what I'm talking about Fade to Black is

2766
01:56:40,910 --> 01:56:38,820
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2767
01:56:43,010 --> 01:56:40,920
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2768
01:56:44,930 --> 01:56:43,020
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2769
01:56:48,010 --> 01:56:44,940
webmasters Drew the geek music Doug

2770
01:56:50,570 --> 01:56:48,020
Aldridge intro space boys

2771
01:56:52,490 --> 01:56:50,580
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2772
01:56:54,350 --> 01:56:52,500
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2773
01:56:57,410 --> 01:56:54,360
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2774
01:56:59,450 --> 01:56:57,420
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2775
01:57:01,250 --> 01:56:59,460
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2776
01:57:02,629 --> 01:57:01,260
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2777
01:57:04,609 --> 01:57:02,639
used anywhere in the known universe

2778
01:57:06,050 --> 01:57:04,619
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2779
01:57:07,370 --> 01:57:06,060
black or the game changer Network I'm

2780
01:57:09,649 --> 01:57:07,380
Yours Jimmy Church

2781
01:57:12,350 --> 01:57:09,659
until tomorrow night with Pat Spain I

2782
01:57:22,910 --> 01:57:12,360
want you to be safe

2783
01:57:22,920 --> 01:57:26,730
thank you